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nothacking , (edited )

Still the same situation, high demand, low production capacity, part shortages. Try finding an alternative SBC.

Personally I really like the BeagleBone black (beagleboard.org/black), because it has integrated flash (no more rummaging for a micro SD card), and lets you ssh over USB. (no more debugging network connectivity, or searching for a unused monitor). It still can boot from a micro SD or USB drive, so if the flash breaks (or gets bricked) it’s easy fixable. The best part is no USB Mini-B connectors that break after ten uses. (Those things are cancer, they are absolutely awful and everywhere)

One thing to be aware of with them is the lack of on board WiFi, so if you need that make sure to get a USB WiFi radio.

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empireOfLove , (edited )
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RPi’s and RPi compatibles got co-opted by a huge number of commercial and industrial control systems companies being used for cheap full-fat embedded systems that needed more than a simple microcontroller, but where industrial PLC’s were overkill or not sourcable. Everything they produce, which is not a lot given covid supply chain whiplash, has now been going towards those customer’s contracts and fuck the little guy consumer they were meant for.

If you want to get into the SBC ecosystem leave rpi in the dust, they’re dead to the enthusiasts and won’t be coming back. There are much better options. See Linus tech tips video on them.

kroy ,

They aren’t even great platforms anymore in comparison.

Other SBCs are cheaper, more smartly designed, and have more features (emmc, pcie, etc)

The big thing RPI have going for them is that they are the standard and all the OS/software/etc end up being super turnkey

Molecular0079 ,

Any recommendations in the RPi price range?

jgkawell ,
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Look at the Libre Computer boards. I got a Le Potato for 35usd last year and it’s been rock solid. Seems to be about the same performance as a RBP 3B.

Molecular0079 ,

Thanks! I’ll check it out.

ImpossibleRubiksCube ,

I had no idea about Le Potato. I’m an electronics experimenter and this looks solid. Thanks!

OptimisticPrime , (edited )
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Finally someone mentions a product name. I am so sick of these “uh duuuh, there are better alternatives out there, hurhur” commenters who name not a single one.

kroy , (edited )

Go check out ExplainingComputers on youtube.

www.explainingcomputers.com/sbc.html

He basically goes over every SBC possible. The good ones now are the Rock Pis and the Potato series

empireOfLove ,
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I’d recommend one if I had tried any of them. The only one I’ve bought is the orange pi 5 which runs significantly higher than the basic RPi $35 and figured was outside the power envelope OP really needed.

cynar ,

In their defence, the pi was never intended to be a powerhouse. Their focus was on getting good software support for a low cost system. This provided a stable foundation that built that turnkey reliability.

A lot of the other board providers have a habit of just creating a powerful little board, and throwing it out there to fend for itself. This is great for competent geeks, but less good for those still learning.

kroy ,

Meh, I don’t know if they need defense. It’s just kind of how it is.

They got big and popular and that means momentum. Momentum is good for adoption and momentum is good for support, but it’s not great for huge jumps in technological sophistication.

I still LOVE the 2040, pico, etc, but there are just better options when you go bigger than that.

The Potato, Rock Pis.

This creator is great for when you want to SBC shop

www.explainingcomputers.com/sbc.html

cynar ,

The raspberry pi was never meant to be a power house. It’s whole goal was to make support and learning easy. A few, very well maintained models, with the same core chips. The last bit is the cause of the shortage. They can’t easily redesign without fragmenting the support base. That is completely against their ethos.

I’ve also found, once you hit a Pi’s limit, that it’s best to go to something more specialist. My go-to options are NUCs for general computing, or the Nvidia Jetson series, for portable brute power. Anything that saturates a pi will quickly saturate the smaller SBCs soon after, as well. They suffer from many of the same bottlenecks.

webuge ,

Can you provide the link for the LTT video, please?

lemann ,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJvCVw1yONQ

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webuge ,

Thank you

amanaftermidnight ,

See Linus tech tips video on them.

See Jeff Geerling’s fab tour video on them instead.

thisisawayoflife OP ,

Gotcha. I figured I’d try the RPI this time around since I had such a terrible time with Odroid’s C1 (or C2? It’s been 6+ years).

I’m not tied to the RPI at all, but ameridroid seems to be out of stock of everything low cost and low power with a decent amount of RAM (eg 4GB+).

WestwardWinds ,

Have you ever checked out OrangePi? I was considering them before picking up a jetson nano. It’s crazy to think that a rpi4b is going for the same price from resellers as a jetson with cuda and tenserflow support.

thisisawayoflife OP ,

Over heard of it but haven’t seen them. The other piece I was looking for was CMs for the Trying Pi that I got. It’s been sitting in a box ever since I got it because … no compute modules anywhere.

FutileRecipe ,

Supply and demand, pandemic, chip shortage, scalpers. That pretty much covers it.

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