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xyguy ,

I felt the exact same way about Q after the first episode both as a character and as a concept for the show. They basically introduced God in the first episode of a science fiction show and he is annoying and arrogant.

But he is actually one of the best characters by the time the show is over and his all-powerful nature is toned down a little bit.

Season 1 is pretty goofy and inconsistent overall. Give it a chance and accept it for what it is and by season 4 the writing is some of the best in science fiction TV.

hansl ,

There’s literally a trope for how bad TNG was in the first seasons… until Riker grew a beard.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/…/GrowingTheBeard

worfamerryman ,

TOS had so many “god” characters. At least they condensed them into 1.

xyguy ,

That’s a fair point. I remember there being several but honestly don’t remember any specifically other than the Gamemaster of Triskelion because he gave such a funny performance.

ramble81 ,

introduced God… he is annoying and arrogant

I mean, if you had those powers too, wouldn’t you be a little arrogant?

ruckblack ,

He gets better. I remember not being a big fan when I first saw him too.

bhamlin ,

He doesn’t really get better, but later on the circumstances that appear around him make Q more palatable.

Haus ,
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If it helps - Q introduces a "bad guy" to the series that is so famous that people who haven't seen the series have heard of them.

Crackhappy ,
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Wesley??!?

joyjoy ,

Close enough. The universe’s most dangerous animal is Man.

CADmonkey ,

Ohh, you’re correct, I’d forgotten that Q had introduced that… particular bad guy.

Doug ,

I see you resisted the urge to say who

JWBananas ,
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I understood that reference

CADmonkey ,

I didn’t want to give spoilers on a TV show that came out 36 years ago.

_stranger_ ,

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criitz ,

I hate Q but love TNG.

Fortunately he is in few episodes, but unfortunately he is very influential plot-wise when he does appear.

It doesn’t ruin how great TNG is to me at all, though

Spliffman1 ,
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Same

Spliffman1 ,
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I hate Q also… To me he was always just an excuse for the writers to take a mental break

ArugulaZ ,

If you hated him on Next Gen, you'll really hate him on Deep Space Nine. Fortunately, he only appeared there once.

Travelator ,

Voyager. You’ll see.

kamenLady ,

They saw then Picard

aberrate_junior_beatnik ,

If you don’t like him, you can just skip his episodes & not miss much.

Davel23 ,

I mean, "Q Who" is kind of important to the series, if not the franchise as a whole.

Crackhappy ,
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Well… and the finale.

MustardCabbage ,

Does Tapestry count? Because that’s a great episode that shouldn’t be skipped.

kaitco ,

I disagree. Borg much?

That said, I was never able to decide whether I hated Q or Wesley more.

ClarkDoom ,

It’s always Wesley in questions like this.

ClarkDoom ,

I had no idea there were people who didn’t like Q. His introduction is by far the weakest thing about him but Q is honestly hilarious in subsequent episodes and I think his race are a very poignant commentary on what an actual race of godlike beings would be like if real.

worfamerryman ,

My wife hates him so much, but loved TNG.

He only show up like once or twice a season.

I like him, but I can see why people wouldn’t.

natecox ,
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I’m jealous that you’re getting your first go through, that was a pretty magical experience.

I usually watch the whole series every couple of years, and I’m due for a watch now, but I can’t. Star Trek was something I shared with my dad, who died two years ago, and I just can’t seem to make myself watch it anymore.

andyburke ,
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I watched Star Trek because my dad introduced me to it. I'm now a dad and I am sharing it with my kids.

I don't know you, and I don't know your family, but if your father liked Star Trek enough to introduce you to it, my guess is that he wouldn't want his death to take that away from you. If anything, my bet would be he'd hope it would bring you comfort and fond memories and hope for the future.

I hope you can get there when enough time has passed, and I hope this message might help it all hurt a little less.

natecox ,
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Oh yeah he totally would want me to keep on going, and I’m trying, but there’s just too much emotion there. It’s a show that I love because it’s a testament to what humanity could accomplish if we just got our shit together, and I’ve always felt emotionally attached to the show… it’s just too much right now.

Eventually.

williams_482 ,
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Grief is complicated, and two years is no time at all to recover from the death of a parent. It makes complete sense that watching something you associate with him would still be painful, and there’s nothing to be gained by forcing it.

Eventually you’ll reach the point where reminders of your father bring up happy feelings, with the pain of losing him still present, but not overwhelming. That won’t happen fast, but you will get there. That’s the time to give TNG another go, and see how it makes you feel.

Hang in there, friend.

realitista ,

Unless you are a completist who’s willing to sit through the less than good episodes, you may want to use an episode guide such as this one which I found useful when I went back to rewatch it. Yes Q is kind of annoying, that’s actually his character and how everyone in the show feels about him too. But there are also some fantastic episodes with him, so once you get to those, you may not hate his presence as much.

williams_482 ,
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I feel compelled to recommend this guide by a long time Daystrom Institute contributor. It does an excellent job identifying episodes as essential, unnecessary but fun, mediocre, or outright bad. A good place to work from if you want a more flexible recommendation of what to try and what not to.

MudMan ,
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Honestly, if you started from scratch nothing you see in season one applies.

Just... assume everything reboots after but they keep the lore. It'll be fine.

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    ivanafterall OP ,
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    Thanks, you talked me back into sticking with it from the beginning. I'd wonder what I missed if I skipped a whole season or two, I think.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Before it’s too late: Skip episode 4. “Code of Honor,” alternate title: “The Gang Gets Racist”

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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    In season 1 Riker doesn't have a beard, which is your first clue it's a holodeck simulation.

    ivanafterall OP ,
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    I saw some people say to start with Season 3, but it felt weird. Should I just skip Season 1?

    MudMan ,
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    I'd say no, but muscle through it even if it's not clicking.

    Frankly, there are great episodes in the first two seasons, it just hadn't fully hit a groove where you can just watch it and at least expect it to be ok to good (or hilarious) every time. The hatred for the first seasons is overhyped.

    But yeah, a lot of the creaky joints, be it Picard being weirdly hostile and disengaged from the action, Q being weird and grating and Wesley being mishandled do go away eventually.

    AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
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    When I first started TNG I just looked up a list of the best episodes from season 1 and 2 and watched those then went straight to season 3. After I finished the show and loved it, I went back and rewatched seasons 1 and 2 fully. So that’s a good option if you just wanna get to the good stuff quicker, and each episode is (for the most part) it’s own self contained episode so you don’t miss much by skipping parts of seasons 1 and 2 IMO as long as you watch the good episodes.

    I’m on break at work so I don’t have time to find the list I used but sure you can find something easily with a Google search or someone else here might recommend the best episodes of those seasons.

    Doug ,

    I’d agree with the other comment as well. The first two seasons are bumpy but they build a lot.

    Skipping them, even where they’re rough, does you a disservice in the long run. It’s well worth the trouble.

    Infynis ,
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    Just skip the Riker Clip Show at the end of season 2, and you’ll be fine. Apparently that episode was created because writers were on strike at the time

    FlexibleToast ,

    The first couple seasons were still under Gene Roddenberry’s control. He maintained that there should not be any conflict between the crew members. That made the first couple seasons a little strange.

    ivanafterall OP ,
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    Interesting that it's considered to have gotten better when he wasn't controlling it? I didn't realize that.

    FlexibleToast ,

    He had his eccentricities. It’s hard to make a compelling show about human stories when the main cast aren’t allowed to have interpersonal conflicts. But his vision of the utopian future would be that society wouldn’t have in-fighting anymore.

    jet ,

    Your supposed to hate Q thats part of the fun. Picard hates him

    Gork ,

    I’m not sure Picard actively hates him. However, I do think his reaction is basically the Picard facepalm jpg whenever he interacts with Q.

    dingus ,
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    Picard doesn’t hate him, but Picard understands that Q isn’t operating in good faith and is always aimed at undermining humanity.

    The problem I would think, as Picard sees it, is there is no reasonable way to do battle with Q or stop him, and so instead of a radical path of eliminating Q’s ability to interfere entirely, we’re given what appears to be a very tepid, liberal response where we’re supposed to work with terrible people who aren’t operating in good faith simply because they have power and aren’t afraid to use it.

    Picard is from a strictly socialist society, and that means at some point, they understood how to deal with people like this, who are operating in bad faith. The new wrinkle is that Q is so powerful, you have to hope that you can just talk him down, because there is no way to remove him from the equation or remove his powers.

    Sunforged ,

    I haven’t watched Picard, but I assume the finale is a Qwedding.

    Venicon ,
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    I think to Picard, Q is just this buffoon with god powers and chooses to use them purely for wind ups. He knows he can’t do jack to stop him but scolds him at every opportunity.

    I would have loved one character to just disappear on a massive bender with Q for a while and come back totally fried but just slot back into their spot on the ship

    dingus ,
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    Like that Skyrim quest where you party with a Daedric prince and wake up all the way across the map.

    Venicon ,
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    A Night To Remember! One of my all time favourites.

    joyjoy ,

    but scolds him at every opportunity.

    Which is exactly why Q keeps doing it.

    CodexArcanum ,

    I’m pretty sure the Picard face palm is a shot from S3 episode “Deja Q”. He literally is facepalming at Q.

    HobbitFoot ,

    Yeah, whereas Sisko punched Q.

    I’m with Sisko on that.

    dingus ,
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    Sisko understands that you can’t negotiate with the powerful, he knows you need Direct Action.

    JWBananas ,
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    So were the Prophets, apparently. I bet Q felt their energy behind that punch and noped out of there.

    Thisfox ,

    I was so disappointed in Sisko. So much opportunity, and he punches it in the face.

    Nacktmull ,
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    Picard officially stopped hating Q after s6e15 “Tapestry”

    DrChaotica ,

    Hot take: you don’t fully appreciate Q until you’ve watched all the episodes he’s in. That includes the ones in Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

    NPC ,

    Wait, this is news to me. Q is in voyager?! /s

    xusontha ,

    Yeah he tries to get funky with Janeway

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Pepe le Q.

    ares35 ,
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    don't forget the old compaq videos.

    CADmonkey ,

    Don’t forget his cameo in Breaking Bad

    cheery_coffee ,

    Are the West Wing episodes required as well?

    GregorGizeh ,

    And the sc2 campaign for his role as Alarak, Highlord of the Taldarim!

    RiikkaTheIcePrincess ,
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    For some reason I feel compelled to up-boop the reference to MLP 🤔😅

    caseyweederman ,

    And StarCraft 2 and Heroes of the Storm

    Squizzy ,

    I wish we could create playlists like this for shows. I don’t have the interest to watch deep space 9 but I love Q. Same goes for Clone Wars, don’t have the time but a few threads are important.

    BananaTrifleViolin ,

    Keep going. It get's much much better. Each season is better than the last, but Season 2 is where the feel of the show stablises and softens; it'll always be jarring when you go back to season 1 after you pass it. Season 3 is definitely where it starts to hit it's stride.

    It's largely an episodic show; you could skip to season 3 and go back to the season 1 & 2 later without missing much. A few recurring characters and themese like do Q make more sense if you watch from the start though.

    If you're really wavering definitely skip to season 3.

    SickDisturbence ,

    This advice here is it, OP. I’ve watched the whole series close to 10 times by now, and sometimes even I skip season 1. However, it does add some good context, and flashbacks in later seasons will make sense and give you a better feeling of attachment to the events if you’ve seen them.

    ursakhiin ,

    While definitely true for the most part, I feel like the first episode is pretty important for a number of other reasons and there are things in season 1 that are explored for Data that are referenced throughout the series.

    WarmSoda ,

    They already watched the first episode

    ursakhiin ,

    While true of OP, I was responding to the idea that I’ve could skip the entire first season on the first watch.

    The first season is rough but it sets up a lot of things that are touched on in later seasons.

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