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bier , in I can't believe people are still using GUMBIES when there are so many better alternatives.

I just found out GUMBIES 7 isn’t backwards compatible with GUMBIES 1.

And yes I know GUMBIES 1 was released in 2013, but still what the actual fuck!

fossilesque , in I can't believe people are still using GUMBIES when there are so many better alternatives.
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We called newbie overconfident climbers gumbies, back when I could. I think the same applies here.

ILikeBoobies , in I can't believe people are still using GUMBIES when there are so many better alternatives.

I experienced a new hell today

The whole of the documentation was in video format and you had to accept all cookies to play the videos

At least with GUMBIES not having documentation there is a wide thread of people asking questions on third party sites

xmunk ,

This was legitimately part of the reason I went with Laminas instead of Laravel for a project. I really don’t want critical documentation to be in video form.

shasta ,

I fully agree with you. However, I just had an interesting thought. Could someone use chatgpt to transcribe the video’s audio to text and plop it into a wiki?

dan ,
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Any documentation videos that comply with accessibility requirements will have subtitles. Just extract the subtitles from the video.

mindbleach ,

Projects based on Gibson novels are lame. The new hotness is documentation based on Bradbury novels.

sajran , in I can't believe people are still using GUMBIES when there are so many better alternatives.

Man, I’m just chilling and relaxing after a week of SE work and this resonates with me very deeply

frezik , in Full Stack Programmer Doing Frontend

Most disciplines get more specialized as they evolve. Full Stack goes against that trend, and this meme points at the problem with that. I don’t think it’s going to last.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Overspecialisation can also suck eggs. Interdisciplinary research is trendy in science for the that reason. Even I occasionally read a paper and can see they’re missing some basic fact from another field or subfield that totally undercuts their result.

ipkpjersi , in Full Stack Programmer Doing Frontend

As a full stack developer (more experienced in back end) working on a full stack task at work I can confirm, yes, this is very true lmao.

huquad , in I can't believe people are still using GUMBIES when there are so many better alternatives.

GUMBIES isn’t real, it can’t hurt me…

Cort ,

Oh honey, just because it’s not real doesn’t mean it can’t hurt you. Just look up Roko’s basilisk as an example.

Aqarius ,

Or, yknow, don’t.

Odinkirk ,
@Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Pfft 😂

Roko’s basilisk is The Game for futurists.

Here you go, enjoy. You win!

jkrtn ,

The ego and audacity to think an AI will simulate you in eternal torment when that would use up precious resources it could be spending on making paperclips.

Blackmist , in I can't believe people are still using GUMBIES when there are so many better alternatives.

Kubernetes homepage is the real life example of this.

AnUnusualRelic ,
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There are innumerable examples.

My typical attitude is “I was fine without “latest fad” until now, I’ll still be fine now that I still know nothing about it”. And I forget about the whole thing. It’ll probably vanish fifteen months later anyway.

As an aside, who even makes those caricatural, utterly content free websites, and then pats themselves on the back thinking that’s a job well done? They’ve obviously put some amount of work into those things. Is the point to make it seem like it’s a cool super secret society or what?

mindbleach ,
ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

I can relate and I’m not even an expert yet.

Blackmist ,

They all look the exact same as well, like every Bootstrap site does.

fraksken ,

Stable binaries ftw

gmtom ,

I still don’t know what kubernetes does and at this point I’m afraid to ask.

Arrkk ,

It has the same root as the also made up word Cybernetics, hope this helps!

AnUnusualRelic ,
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I think it empowers the deployment of, um scalability, of the, waves arounds modular thingies… or something. In a virtual way.

AlexWIWA ,

I still don’t know what it is. I will keep it that way on purpose

rofurus ,

Is the joke not on the problem of cute names? K8s doesn’t seem to do that at all. I also checked the homepage itself, and it seemed OK.

What am I missing?

baseless_discourse , in Brainfuck is the sixth circle

“counter-intuitive crazy operation” meh, we already have that, it is called Haskell.

PoolloverNathan ,

Haskell’s crazy operation is intuitive though. Assuming you’re talking about >>=, it’s just a generalized flatMap.

baseless_discourse ,

This is probably a rather controversial topic in the haskell community. Haskell library and base has a tendency to provide “too many“ infix operator (at least IMO), many of which makes code hard to read for beginners and experts alike.

See the discussion here: wiki.haskell.org/…/Discussion#Use_syntactic_sugar…

expr ,

As a professional Haskell developer, I tend to agree. I loathe any and all lens code I find using a ton of operators (though I just dislike lenses in general). Operators from base are generally fine, but for the rest, just use normal functions damnit. Operators suck for code navigation too.

baseless_discourse ,

Yeah, it is one of the problem I have about Haskell.

The other two are lazy evaluation makes print debugging almost impossible, you will need to print the entire environment to figure out where you are.

Finally, I feel like List.fold, state monad, lens are basically just working with mutable structure with extra steps. Although this constructs prevent newbies who are not principled enough to effectively use mutable structure from using mutable structure, but it also doesn’t help experienced user to write more effective and clean code.

Mutuabilty are certainly not harmless either. For example in ocaml, if you construct the IntSet type twice, they will be two completely different type. But this behavior can be pretty easily avoided by an experienced user.

What do you feel about these features/shortcomings?

CanadaPlus ,

Haskell is abstract, and very different from other popular languages, but I actually find it very intuitive. At the very least, the type system makes it extremely predictable.

baseless_discourse ,

I didn’t imagine a joke would attract this many people defending Haskell. LOL.

I personally would say I hate Haskell the least among most of the PL I know, maybe except ocaml. Haskell is probably the second if not the most popular programming language (not including proof assistant) in my field, next to Ocaml; and I have been teaching it for couple years. My work is also heavily involved with category theory, so I don’t personally mind the category theory jargon.

But all of these doesn’t mean Haskell is without its flaws. For this post in particular, I am referring to one of the long standing debate in the haskell community of whether Haskell user and developer has a tendency to overuse exotic infix operators: wiki.haskell.org/…/Discussion#Use_syntactic_sugar…

CanadaPlus ,

Haha, an actual category theorist! You should have gone with “we have more than one of those in Haskell” or something, then. As it is, it really just reads like someone who thinks higher-order functions are too hard of a concept, and that the whole language is therefore garbage.

baseless_discourse , (edited )

welp, karma is not a thing here, nor do I care about them. It is great to see people loving haskell, it is a decent language <3.

Shawdow194 , (edited ) in I can't believe people are still using GUMBIES when there are so many better alternatives.
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Fades , in Full Stack Programmer Doing Frontend

This meme is backwards

adrian783 ,

le front end not actual work amirite

CanadaPlus ,

This is the dumbest trope. It’s not the same kind of job, or even very coding-ish, but all the frontends I’ve made are horrifyingly ugly, and I hated making them.

nulluser , in I can't believe people are still using GUMBIES when there are so many better alternatives.

Now I understand where ChatGPT hallucinations come from.

shneancy ,

tumblr will save us from the AI takeover

JasonDJ , in I can't believe people are still using GUMBIES when there are so many better alternatives.

Thanks everyone, I figured it out.

loutr ,
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AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Alternatively: “Never mind, I figured it out”

mods_are_assholes ,

Forum responses like that are why two of my four IBM Model M’s don’t work anymore…

_Cid_ , in And don't forget RTFM

I mean there must be a reason why someone would want to be a dev. I would go from there

hector , in Full Stack Programmer Doing Frontend

Guys I can’t do front-end! There was a time I was getting kinda good but now there’s too much CSS tricks to learn.

I’m currently making an app for the fediverse and my back-end is amazing but I need help even beginning to make something decent for the front-end!

This is a streaming app, and just developed the chat widget which looks good in OBS, that’s a start.

But the player? Responsible layout? Aaaah it seems impossible.

FooBarrington ,

I’d suggest finding some examples or templates that are reasonably close to what you want, and working from there. It’s much easier to adapt something existing with small tweaks than building it all yourself.

If you have any concrete questions, feel free to shoot me a DM :)

hector ,

Really? That’s so cool thanks :)

FooBarrington ,

Yeah, gladly! I know how opaque and difficult that whole thing can be :)

frezik ,

It’d help if the JavaScript ecosystem could pause on inventing new frameworks every five minutes and instead focus on fixing their tooling problems.

hector ,

I don’t know the developer experience with React+Vite has been amazing for me!

Fast HMR, detailed stack traces, and typing support is so cool!

mhredox ,

Same. Honestly no issues with react+vite that I haven’t been able to solve.

hector ,

It’s so robust I like it a lot :)

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