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Do you have a separate 4k library?

A new TV offers the possibility to watch 4k movies to me. I am thinking about upgrading my library but I’m not sure if I want to replace my 1080 collection. I’ve read that some use a separate 4k library.

Do you? How do you deal with it? I mostly add movies with trakt and radarr automatically. Do you use separate accounts?

pelletbucket ,

when 4K is done well I can’t tell the difference from 1080p. but it’s usually not compressed well, at least in my experience, the pixel density just makes the image dimmer

Iamdanno ,

I keep multiple versions in the same library. I use Emby, and, as long as my naming is good, I get one listing for each movie, and the ability to select which version to watch.

kylian0087 ,

Personally i get the highest quality i can. Often 4K REMUX . If a device is not capable of showing 4K i just transcode the stream at the server.

thorbot ,

Yep. My Plex server can’t handle multiple 4K streams and neither can my ISPs bandwidth. So it’s 4K download simply for stuff we watch at home and the rest of Plex content is 1080p

Oderus ,

1 library and movies are all 4K if newer than 2010. Otherwise it’s 1080p just like TV series.

Dianoga ,

I have two libraries for movies because my home theater can let 4k + HDR shine while my Internet connection doesn’t have the upload to send that to family. They get stuck with 1080 and have never complained. My server has the power to transcode on the fly but for now I have the free space to keep both.

TV is almost entirely 1080 unless there is a super good reason to upgrade past that. I’m not actually sure if I’ve ever done that.

roofuskit ,

I think people who have separate libraries don’t have access to hardware transcoding, or prefer not to use it. That’s the only reason I can see for it. My library is fully mixed, if a connection or device cannot support the resolution or codec, my server will transcode it in real time. Is transcoding the best quality? No, but if it’s transcoding because a device can’t handle higher quality I’m unlikely to notice the difference between a 1080p file and a live transcode of a 2160p file. We don’t have a ton of TVs in the house and the main event TV is high enough quality that I’m now downloading most things in UHD.

This is the perspective of someone with a dedicated 24/7 media server with plenty of storage that is easily expanded.

thorbot ,

Or we don’t have the upload pipe for it. Or both.

roofuskit ,

Most people would be streaming to another TV in their home.

thorbot ,

The OP and I are talking about hosting video for people outside our homes. I have many friends and family who use my Plex server all over the world

roofuskit ,

OP doesn’t say anything about that.

thorbot ,

I meant the OP of the comment I’m referring to, wrong terminology I guess

roofuskit ,

You and I are the only two people in this thread, that’s why I was confused.

thorbot ,

Clearly I am confused too

roofuskit ,

Well I guess we’re in good company then. lol

thorbot ,

Indeed

Moonrise2473 ,

LOL meanwhile even if I have a 4k monitor I still choose 720p to save space and have quantity over quality

ManosTheHandsOfFate ,
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I have a lot of 720p movies that I watch on my 4k TV. I’m always surprised at how good they look.

nexussapphire ,

You guys are talking about 4k meanwhile I’m digging in bargain bins and going to garage sales for DVDs.

EDIT: Didn’t see the community when I posted. It makes a lot more sense now.

ManosTheHandsOfFate ,
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I think my DVD days are mostly done. Even with a decent upscaler (Nvidia Shield) 480p looks terrible on my 4K TV.

nexussapphire ,

It’s just the way I prefer it. I prefer paying for a copy if I can and downloading a copy when I can’t. I get the appeal, but if there’s a way to show companies I prefer a tangible copy over paying monthly/perpetual license I prefer going that route.

I’m not above downloading a copy if they don’t sell a copy if you get where I’m coming from. I consider it sort of abandoned at that point, even if it’s on a streaming service.

ManosTheHandsOfFate ,
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I get you. I do something similar. I love physical discs and have a healthy blu ray collection. I tend to buy older or more obscure cult movies that I’m worried may not be readily available on streaming. But I avoid DVDs specifically because of the low resolution. For some movies it just can’t be helped. Very obscure content may even only be available on VHS transfers and I’ll watch those if I’m really interested in the movie or show.

TheControlled ,

I’ve replaced all my media with 4K remuxes, when available, 1080p remuxes otherwise, unless it’s a movie I’m only getting by request, then I might get an encode. Felt good to wash away all the 1080p and especially 720p stuff. 4K with HDR makes a HUGE difference. A lot of the time the picture has been remastered (maybe the for the first time, maybe more) and is exclusive to the UHD. Also, you often get upgraded with Dolby Atmos or DTS:X tracks, which rule.

dangblingus ,

Typically I only seek out 4K content if it’s an “event” type of movie like a big budget blockbuster or something like that. Maybe I’m just getting old, but I typically don’t have a problem watching my movie collection in HD when I grew up watching beta and VHS cassettes.

JasSmith ,

I agree. Most movies of mine are 1080p, which look great with high enough bitrate. 4K is for the big flashy movies which clearly benefit.

WhiteHotaru ,

I would try the „retina formula“ to see, if the upgrade would benefit me.

Basically apples retina displays are engineered, that either the selected pixel density, pixel size and typical viewing distance, single pixels cannot be seen by the human eye. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display?wprov=sfti1#…

If you have a small tv and it is several meters away from you, my guess would be that the difference is not that big.

stratosfear ,

I tried but it was way too much of a pain, especially when Plex does transcode just fine (w/ Intel 11th gen QSV). Except for DV of course, so I have to make sure I get the HDR version.

DeltaTangoLima ,
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Yes - I have two separate instances of Radarr, each storing their movies in dedicated top-level folders (“Movies” and “Movies-4k”).

Overseerr is used to manage requests, with all 1080p requests being automatically approved, and 4K requests requiring my approval (so I can be frugal with NAS space).

Plex merges both folders into a single Movies library, where I can play either resolution of a given movie (assuming both resolutions exist).

ABCDE ,

I download 4K if I can get it. I delete after I’ve watched it.

JasSmith ,

You have been banned from r/DataHoarder.

entropicdrift ,
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IMO the main reason to go for 4K is the HDR color accuracy.

Most movies are mastered in 1080p regardless, not to mention CGI effects are still mostly rendered at 2K.

But DCI-P3? If your screen can cover the color gamut or mostly cover it (90%+) then I’d go for it.

Personally I just have Radarr setup for 4K HDR and Sonarr setup for 1080p. Jellyfin transcodes 4K to 1080p and HDR to SDR just fine for my purposes (note that I have an Intel N100 box with QSV hardware transcoding and tonemapping setup)

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