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FancyManacles ,

“It is not possible to overdose by touching or accidentally inhaling fentanyl, and the same would apply to non-human animals as well,” Leo Beletsky, a professor of law and health sciences at Northeastern University, told The Times on Saturday.

So the dog couldn’t have inhaled it then if the story is to be believed because the dog isn’t going to intentionally inhale it

Because the drug is poorly absorbed through the stomach, he said, an animal would probably have to ingest the substance through its nose in order to overdose.

Yeah, this is definitely a made up story as others have said. Dog is still lucky it wasn’t shot on account of it being a dog near police though.

hotdaniel ,

Maybe it was a baggie on the ground of the car; we really don’t know,” Oldoerp said. “If they’re using drugs in their car, we can only speculate.”

K

sadreality ,

Not clicking fake news.

Can someone provide context?

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll try. Two alleged junk boxes were talking to the cops. Fent was discovered, but where and when it was found isn’t discussed. One of the suspects said her dog was ODing, which is hilariously unlikely given how dogs respond to fent. The cops aren’t getting their egos stroked like they used to, so they heroically gave the dog naloxone it almost certainly didn’t need.

The only way this story makes sense is if these people intentionally fed their dog fent trying to get rid of evidence. But given the fact that many precincts aren’t really charging drug offences like they used to, it’s not really clear how much trouble the couple would have been in. And frankly, it seems more likely a fent user would try to hide it so they don’t waste their money and a high.

sadreality ,

Thank you for your service...

I mean. They should be charged with animal abuse if they fed the dog fent or lied to cops.

Teach them the right lessons here.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

They are animals, but I don’t think it’s abuse to lie to them.

sadreality ,

When ur lie causes harm to the animal, then it is a crime IMHO

Not lying to the pig, obvi. Fuck pigs

postmateDumbass OP ,

Sorry pup, not gonna lie. you were a bad doggie.

collegefurtrader ,

Can you elaborate? How do dogsdo fentanyl?

kyle ,

Dogs are much less sensitive to it than humans, according to the article.

A quick Google search leads to an FDA article for veterinarians that says “only a tiny amount” can cause an overdose though.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

postmateDumbass OP ,

They sell there kibble and bits for the money to score.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Dogs out there pulling tricks for a fix.

TopRamenBinLaden ,

You lookin for a good time human? I do sits for 20 and shakes for 50.

IglooThulhu ,

Unsure of the specific pharmacokinetics behind it but dogs take about 3x mcg per kg dosing compared to humans. A lethal dose of fentanyl for humans is 100-200 micrograms which would theoretically translate to about 600mcg lethal dosage for dogs. Considerably larger than a humans tolerance but still only a few granules of powder would be lethal

krayj ,

which is hilariously unlikely given how dogs respond to fent

What exactly do you mean by this? Dogs respond to fentanyl exactly the same way that humans do…it just takes a larger dose because dogs are less sensitive to it that humans. If a dog is exhibiting signs of fentanyl overdose, all that means is that they’ve ingested a larger dose than would be needed to make a human overdose, and especially if the dog’s owner is already saying it’s happened before with the same dog and they recognize the symptoms in progress.

Considering it only takes a few grains of fentanyl to cause overdose in humans, it’s not far fetched to think a puppy could ingest or inhale that much accidentally, especially if being transported in the same vehicle where there is known fentanyl possession taking place. Keep in mind, the body weight of a puppy is a fraction that of a full grown dog.

Puppies can and will eat anything regardless of whether it’s an actual food item or not.

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

…it just takes a larger dose because dogs are less sensitive to it that humans.

Ok, so you do get it and you don’t need me to explain. I’m glad you answered your own question.

and especially if the dog’s owner is already saying it’s happened before with the same dog and they recognize the symptoms in progress.

The cops said she said this. And I don’t believe them as a rule when it comes to anything they say about fentanyl. Ask yourself why she would say that to them? Why would she say she has enough in her possession to not only kill a person, but also kill a dog? And then admit it has happened at least once before, opening herself up to animal cruelty charges and possibly charges of intent to distribute?

krayj ,

Ok, so you do get it and you don’t need me to explain

No. Because you made it sound as if dogs react entirely differently and that’s not really the case. I wanted to know what you were trying to imply. Still do.

Ask yourself why she would say that to them?

This is the dumbest question I’ve heard this week. In states where marijuana is still illegal, people get high enough to call 911 and report that someone stole their weed. Who TF knows what goes on in the mind of a fentanyl users and what they do or do not say out loud. Maybe the person cared enough about their dog to risk incriminating themselves - I know I would absolutely risk incriminating myself if it was a life or death situation for one of my own dogs.

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t make it sound like dogs react entirely differently. Dogs require a significantly higher dose to have the same effect. You did seem to get that point, so I think we can move on.

This is the dumbest question I’ve heard this week

Great, ok, so you believe cops are passing out and overdosing from touching baggies with suspected fent in it? Because that’s the shit they’re saying constantly. And if you believe this dog story bullshit, you might as well believe those lies too. The odds that the cops are lying are WAY higher than the odds that two junkies fed their dog fent, left the fent where they dog would have eaten it, or told the cops that the dog ate it.

Let me ask you another question. If the cops found the fent on the suspected junkies, how did the dog also eat it? If they had multiple baggies of it, that’s intent to distribute and we would have read that in the article. Yet, we didn’t.

None of this story makes sense to anybody with even a modicum of knowledge of people that actually use drugs. Be more skeptical in life, it’ll serve you well.

Erk ,

Fentanyl is very poorly absorbed by eating. A dog could sniff it and get it that way, but it would require quite a bit of it and it’s pretty unlikely. Given the priors it’s way more likely that the cops have the Fenty Fainties, and are applying it to a dog that had a seizure under stress or something.

Police have a long and storied track record of acting like fentanyl is toxic on sight. I had one try to stop me from administering cpr because he was worried there could be fentanyl on the patient’s clothes and I might get it on me through my gloves.

roguetrick ,

Would need b to be in a Florida Walmart for a bingo.

postmateDumbass OP ,

Well, it was only 10 miles from a large Disney theme park…

PS: not all Bingos need the center square.

aport ,

Trash people and pitbulls, name a more iconic duo

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

Cops and pretending to OD on fent by simply touching a container.

chaogomu ,

A container that may or may not contain anything resembling fent.

admiralteal ,

Man, it would be great if highly-potent fentanyl that could be administered by just skin contact were available to addicts. Think of how many public health problems disappear by eliminating the need to inject. Not to mention you should be able to get very consistent dosing by just counting patches.

There are fentanyl formulations for patch administration, but they have WAY less potency and are quite niche in application. Not something that has recreational application.

I don't know of any drug that makes drug enforcement police less cowardly, though.

TopRamenBinLaden ,

Fentanyl patches are most definitely a thing, but they aren’t given out much anymore, AFAIK. People do use them recreationally, but normally by chewing on small bits of the patch or smoking it somehow. It is super dangerous and I have heard of many people ODing that way, because the patches have time released dosages on them.

I knew a kid in high school that had stomach cancer and was prescribed fentanyl patches. He would trade the patches to junkies for weed, because he hated them. This was before medical marijuana so doctors were still throwing out opiates at everything.

I think that you are right that the patches are less potent when used correctly, but addicts aren’t doing that when they get their hands on them. I think they have definitely cut down on giving them out nowadays, though.

reverendsteveii ,

You cut the patches up and chew on them to release the fetty faster than it would be released transdermally.

Or so I’ve heard…

aport ,

Did the officers in this case do that? I must have missed that part of the article

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

They gave medication used for an OD to a dog. Dogs do not react the same to fent, and it would require much more for them to OD on it. So yes, still overreacting to fake incidents. Maybe you should read the post with a bit more skepticism for the people pretending you can OD by touching a plastic bag.

aport ,

It was the dog’s owner who indicated the pet was overdosing, and mentioned that it had happened before. I’m not considering anything said by the police in this case.

Good luck with your grudge though.

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

The cops said the lady told them. And we have no reason left to believe them when it comes to fentanyl. This has nothing to do with a grudge, so no reason to get your feelings hurt.

MxM111 ,

Bread and batter? Cassette player cassette and pencil?

aport ,

Peas and carrots, Bonnie and Clyde, chocolate ice cream and ketchup, the list goes on

MxM111 ,

The last one sounds so terrible that it must be some kind of meme that I missed. Is it? Google gives nothing…

reverendsteveii ,

Cops and lying

sndmn ,

“Possible”

Possibly police are fucking liars.

kmkz_ninja ,

What would they be lying about here? The woman said she thought her dog was overdosing.

aport ,

The woman also said this was the second time it has happened. A researcher in the article mentioned a dog would need to ingest fentanyl through its nose to overdose, which unfortunately sounds plausible for a doggie to do.

Master ,

I dont know… you dont see many puppies carrying around a ceramic pad and a razor blade…

And I’ve never seen one roll a dollar bill.

vlad76 ,
@vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

That’s just sad.

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