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PiratePanPan ,
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captainlezbian ,

She’s desi though

PiratePanPan ,
@PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Chat, can we get an Indian to post a version of this that says desi so I don’t get cancelled?

TwoBeeSan ,

Nah let’s still get rid of white women tho

Cognitive_Dissident ,

What really bakes my noodle is that this is someone who was once a diplomat.

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Not oniony – just normal Nikki Haley things, by this point.

HawlSera ,

This woman has no soul

lilsolar ,
@lilsolar@sh.itjust.works avatar

Same lady who rolls up her windows when traveling through the “bad part of town”

Alpha71 ,

I can assure you she never travels through the bad part of town…

Cognitive_Dissident ,

Just another reptilian alien disguised as a human.

cultsuperstar ,

How can they say they love Israel but also say Jews run everything and be generally negative towards Jews here?

irreticent , (edited )
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

“Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy.”

Edited to add:

It’s a common tactic with fascist regimes. Nazis used to do it with Jewish propaganda by simultaneously claiming that Jews were weak vermin that needed to be exterminated and that they are this supervillain that controls all the money.

You currently see it a lot with the people chanting “Genocide Joe” and claiming he is some mastermind warhawk with at the same time claiming that he is some feeble, senile old man. He’s Schrödinger’s politician!

WAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUP ,

I feel like most people believe one or the other and the internet makes groups feel like one big person.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like that may be true also, but I was referring to the groups pushing the agenda/propaganda, not the ones being affected by it. The ones propagandizing doublethink are the big issue IMO.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

You have gravely misunderstood the Genocide Joe label, lol

davidagain ,

So what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Liberals 🤣

davidagain ,

That’s almost the most evasive thing you could have said. The question was what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb?

DragonTypeWyvern , (edited )

That they’re as genocidal as the Democrats.

That doesn’t make Biden a criminal mastermind playing 4d chess, it makes him a head of state who supports it.

silasmariner ,

This doesn’t make sense bro, are you ok?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

What, exactly, doesn’t make sense to you?

davidagain ,

You’re equating Biden, who said don’t bomb Rafah with Hayley who said kill them all? Riiiiight.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

“Ooohhh don’t bomb them with the bombs we gave you we’ll do nothing if you do despite multiple laws requiring us to not keep giving you bombs ohhhh noooo”

And you people wonder why the actual left keeps muttering about what happens when you get scratched, lul.

davidagain ,

Well, actually there’s the law passed in 2008 requiring him to ensure that Israel is better armed than all of its neighbours.

The election is on a knife edge according to the polls. Who do you think would be worse for Gaza, Biden or Trump?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Trump.

Now stop pretending Biden isn’t enabling a genocide, that his baseline Constitutional powers don’t give him plenty of authority by themselves, and the dozens of laws and treaties prohibiting America from arming a genocidal state don’t apply because this one law you haven’t actually read says “nuh uh, this is a SUPER law.”

davidagain ,

Now stop pretending that allowing Trump to win means worse atrocities in Gaza and more encouragement for despots everywhere, including for Russia winning the war invading Ukraine.

HawlSera , (edited )

Ah I remember the days of “Obama, The Weak-Willed Tyrant” an incompetent man with a genius level intellect according to Fox News…

Edit: For context, I’m talking about 2008-2015ish when the Right claimed Obama was too soft to stand up to America’s enemies and was this “weak child of a man”, and that he was also this evil corrupt tyrant who gave no one an inch, claiming him to be a moron and yet also a diabolical mastermind plotting the Muslim Takeover of America

The amount of Racism was fucking unreal. Especially down here in the South, I rolled my eyes at a lot of “Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim!” in 2012

Obama’s not even Arabic! Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim? And even if he was, who fucking cares?

Sheldybear ,

Do you remember during the 2008 campaign when there was criticism over Obama’s pastor being too outspoken in his church? In back to back segments fox would reflect on Obama’s dangerous version of Christianity while also saying he was a Muslim…

bitwaba ,

Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim?

Barack Hussein Obama

I don’t know man. You tell me.

barsoap ,

Not sure on their current thinking but the root of that line of thinking predates Israel: European nationalist antisemites would say “Jews don’t have a homeland that’s why they’re wrecking havoc everywhere else, they’re jealous”.

Overall, in general, zionist antisemitism is a thing.

Buddahriffic ,

Also some Christians believe the rapture will only come after Israel is back in the hands of the Jews. Since it hasn’t happened already, they might think that it has to be completely in the hands of the Jews. It might be about Jerusalem instead of all of Israel.

So they can still hate them while wanting them to fulfill their “prophecy”. Once they control whatever land some Bible contributor says they need to control, then God will punish them while rewarding all the good white folks in a way that lets them skip the whole scary dying thing.

Not sure if this specific asshole subscribes to that belief, it might just be normal Nazism (the Nazis wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar before understanding that you can’t just send a large group of people to some other location without some kind of military conquest, which is part of why they called the Holocaust the “final solution”).

BonesOfTheMoon ,

Cow.

Kazumara ,

How hard can it be to not act on your weird chauvinsitic impulses in public as a politician?

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Apparently it’s pretty difficult.

Chadarius ,

What a callous human being. I’m sickened by her actions.

demizerone ,

These are the people that are going to be ruling America soon.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

That’ll happen when you give Democrats the presidency and a majority in Congress and all they do with it is issue blank checks for war instead of addressing the needs of the poor and working class.

It’s a replay of 2016, when Hillary (and Obama before her) ignored the Rust Belt and it lost her the presidency.

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

and a majority in Congress

Democrats do not have a super majority, which is a problem thanks to the fillabuster. So the only branch of government the democrats have is the executive, which is not enough to fix things.

TachyonTele ,

Failed Republican presidential nominees writing on artillery shells is the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress? Interesting.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

No.

The bombs are the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress, seeing as how they’re the ones in power and they support arming a genocidal apartheid. What people write on them isn’t of any real consequence to me. I’m angry about the fact that we’re still sending them weapons.

TachyonTele ,

Oh you’re saying the Republicans in power don’t agree with providing weapons to Israel?

Mastengwe ,

Why is it that you’ve never once said anything critical of anything from the right? I’d love an answer if you’re able.

Because even on a post that’s specifically critical of the right, you do nothing but bring up Biden. That’s VERY curious.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

The evil of the right is self-evident.

But I count it more evil to pretend one is progressive and then do exactly the same things the right-wing people are doing.

Mastengwe ,

Riiiiiight…. And you think other people will accept this as a reason?

FlashMobOfOne , (edited )
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Not at all.

Democrats, by and large, don’t accept any criticism of their party, preferring instead to make excuses or feign powerlessness on the part of their elected officials. (They share that trait with Republicans, in fact.)

And then an instance happens where having the same position as the Republicans means you either have to accept genocide or pretend in your head that you’re still morally superior while the president you want us all to vote for sends the weapons over to make it happen.

It’s like that meme with the red button. Your cognitive dissonance is impressive.

Mastengwe ,

See? This is where the problem is. Your inability to read for context, instead of fulfilling some need for your ideology to be correct- regardless of reality.

No one said you can’t or shouldn’t criticize the Democratic Party. This is a right we have and is necessary to exercise. The problem is- people like you seem to think that by criticizing YOU- and your decision to yell at people to not vote… is somehow a declaration to deny your right to criticize. Criticize all you wish- just don’t be foolish enough to think that not doing something (voting) will bring change. It’s a mistake that every generation seemingly always makes when they’re young. Mine included.

And note what is going on here. YOU seemingly whine that everyone is being mean to you, while you simultaneously accuse others of shit they’re not doing. And all the while- you assume no one notices this.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Oh? and what are republicans doing for the poor and working class?

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

If your reflexive response is: “But they suck too!” you should realize it’s not the fantastic defense you think it is.

drunkpostdisaster ,

It is when one side is better.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

These are the people who have been ruling America for a long time.

Illuminostro ,

And it will be the end of popular elections, period. Congratulations, assholes, you got your dictatorship to own the cucks.

suction ,

FYI: Most of those braindead “am I not allowed to criticize Biden???” comments and posts on social media are a concerted effort by right-wingers from /pol and other such sewers, trying to get people to not vote against Trump. Don’t fall for it. These aren’t “lefties” or “tankies”. Just downvote, report, and ignore.

explodicle ,

Why are they wasting effort on like 200 leftist techies? They could get a lot more bang for their buck on Facebook.

HRDS_654 ,

They are on all social media platforms.

Honytawk ,

They have plenty of automated bots there too

fuckingkangaroos ,

Maybe they’re involved, but a much bigger player pushing that line of reasoning is the Kremlin. They want to get Trump elected again so he cuts aid to Ukraine.

Boddhisatva ,

And work to undermine NATO.

GratefullyGodless ,
@GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world avatar

Plus, there’s 4 years of new Top Secret info for Trump to turn over to Putin.

fuckingkangaroos ,

You think he’ll give up power after four years? He’s already actively undermining the US’ democracy.

GratefullyGodless ,
@GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world avatar

I was talking the last 4 years of Top Secret info created during the Biden administration. Because you know that Biden, unlike Trump, isn’t giving away our Top Secret info to Putin. But, Trump will package it all up neatly with a bow, and hand it over to Putin the first chance he gets.

Facebones ,

Democrats not doing all the faschie shit they claim to be saving us from challenge level impossible.

Don’t like Joe? You’re a bot. Have a laundry list of gripes about Joe? Nope you’re a single issue voter whining about a single racial cleansing like a baby.

Blue MAGA out here working overtime blaming the left for any and every Democratic loss, claim to hate Republicans but will hand an election to them every 4 years before they concede even an inch to the left instead of sprinting right to “court voters” that were NEVER going to vote with them.

WAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUP ,

That kind of propaganda is very common now so it makes sense that people have their guards up.

suction ,

Awww poor guy

madcaesar ,

Lemmy is fucking FULL of them. Every other post is some Israel / Genocide Joe bullshit.

If you didn’t know any better you’d think Joe is literally flying a bomber over Gaza right now.

It’s getting tiresome even down voting this crap.

fuckingkangaroos ,

Don’t forget to tag shills so you can keep an eye on them

VictoriaAScharleau ,

how do you tag?

fuckingkangaroos ,

I’m my software I click on the username and then the menu button in the top right.

Other software might require a click and hold. It might say “add user note”

suction ,

Yeah, honestly it makes me wonder if Lemmy is also already over.

suction ,

See, that’s why I can’t vote for Biden. /s

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, Biden’s the reason those bombs are there to begin with.

suction ,

Nice work, Dimitri, how’s the weather in St. Petersburg?

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

If I’m Dmitri, you’re Hermann.

I’m not the one sitting here making excuses for apartheid and genocide, Hermann.

explodicle ,

Nope sorry only explanation is that you’re Russian. Or if you somehow prove you’re not Russian, then you’re a useful idiot. Even the people who have voted third party for years, you’ve actually always been Russian.

Boddhisatva ,

No, you’re the one supporting the side whose potential VP candidate wrote “Finish them” on a piece of artillery to be used in the genocide that you pretend to be against, because she rightly believes their base will eat it up and doing so will help her get elected.

suction ,

You just outed yourself, only Russians would know how to spell “Dmitri” right

Honytawk ,

If you actually cared about Palestine to survive, your best bet is to vote Biden.

All the alternatives will make the situation literally worse.

But you don’t care about Palestine do you? You just want Trump to win. Since your overlord Pootin commanded you to.

Jentu ,

If you actually cared about Palestine, you’d be on the streets demanding immediate action instead of begging people to check a box months from now when half a million Palestinians have starved to death.

Honytawk ,

Who says I haven’t?

Jentu ,

Because you’re hyper fixated on a vote months from now that won’t help Palestinians at the current moment? Your priorities are pretty clear.

cone_zombie ,

So. Let me get this straight. My BEST bet would be to vote for the same guy whose administration continues to provide billions of dollars in weapons to conduct airstrikes on refugee camps, and sometimes makes “We’re outraged! Who would have thought Israel would continue killing civilians!” comnents. You’re really as delusional as the other side. Greetings from a Pootin troll.

excral ,

Yes that’s exactly right, because the alternative manages to somehow be even worse. All hail the two party system.

Honytawk ,

Glad you got it!

That administration isn’t writing “finish them” on the bombs.

Or what did you think would happen if Biden lost? Some green party that hasn’t gotten more than 5% of votes somehow winning?

Jentu ,

If she didn’t have any bombs to write on in the first place, people might not have such an issue with biden.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Another lie.

You drop older stock bombs first so you don’t have to decommission them. Everyone knows that. Israel already has all the bombs it needs to turn all of Gaza and the West Bank into a sheet of glass a dozen times over. Wtf are you talking about Biden sent them the weapons? American policy as to Israel has everything to do with its posture as to Iran and fuck all to do with Israel’s posture as to Gaza, except that the West will not let Gaza or the West Bank fall into the hands of Iranian backed terrorists, i.e. Hamas.

JimmyBigSausage ,

Vile

Furbag ,

Behold, the moderate Republican.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Why WHY would Joe Biden sign off on providing Nikki Haley with PERMANENT MARKERS!

LowtierComputer ,

An incredible oversight. How can he recover from this?

Sir_Simon_Spamalot ,

Ugh… We’ve discovered it was from her personal stash. I think we should shutdown Wallmart for this.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

The only recourse is something that is obviously such a terrible idea that I shouldn’t even have to explain the details to you, you should know what to do based on how egregiously, obnoxiously bad the concept of a solution is.

lamabop ,

Thanks, Obama.

StaySquared ,

Not surprised.

Indians love Israeli creampies. And Indians generally hate Islam.

jeffw OP ,

Hindu nationalists often hate Islam. Haley is American-born to a Sikh family.

StaySquared ,

Oooof… learned something new today. I thought she was Indian all this time. Nonetheless, fk her entire existence.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Me too, no though Sihks were nice.

jeffw OP ,

Just in case you aren’t joking, Sikh is a religion.

In India, the bigotry comes mostly from Hindu nationalists. Hindu is a different religion from Sikhism.

Haley is still Indian, just not Hindu

StaySquared ,

I have no idea why I typed out Indian, rather than Hindu. I meant Hindu. Facepalm

assassin_aragorn ,

Hindu nationalists, not Indians. Don’t lump us all together with those fuckers. Indians born to immigrants in Western countries in particular have very little issue with Islam and detest what India is becoming.

StaySquared ,

Interestingly the media does combine the two. It’s either Indians or Hindu nationalists when there’s reports of human rights violations / crimes against Muslims. So I just lumped them together.

assassin_aragorn ,

You don’t have to be like the media. You can be better. Every Indian isn’t a Hindu nationalist, and many of us detest the nationalists. Gandhi was even killed by a Hindu nationalist, but you won’t hear Modi talking about that.

Indians who were born outside of India to Indian parents are very critical of the Hindu nationalists. We’ve grown up alongside Muslims and been friends with them. We feel solidarity with them as fellow brown people. And we’re utterly appalled with what’s going on in India.

Don’t lump us together. We’re among the harshest critics of Modi’s fascist regime, and what India has become. We were raised with traditional Indian values by our parents and the broader Indian community in our homes. India over the last few decades has become unrecognizable to our parents and fallen considerably to moral decay.

sudo42 ,

So to give us Americans some insight…

From my limited view, it appears Modi & the Hindu Nationalists are more or less (American) right-wing extremists comparable to Trumpers. Is this accurate at all?

Eyck_of_denesle ,

Modi’s party is inspired from RSS which was inspired by nazism so even worse. Unfortunately the number of these people are way too high. There are centrists too that don’t make anything better.

assassin_aragorn ,

I’m American as well, born in the US. So unfortunately I don’t know a lot more than you about the national mood or how popular the Hindu nationalists and BJP (their party) actually are.

With that said, yes, I would say that’s accurate. They’re a mix of the Republicans/American far right and Israel’s conservatives and Netanyahu. The BJP leadership has called Muslims an infestation and blamed them for all of India’s issues. They’ve demanded ancestral papers for Muslims to prove their citizenship, and there has been wanton police violence against Muslims that reminds me of settlers in Israel and Palestinians.

If we were to establish a scale of fascism and the far right, where Hitler and the Nazis are the absolute highest on the scale, I would put Republicans at the bottom; the BJP and Hindu nationalists are higher than them, and Israel is even higher than them. I think they’d all be the same if they weren’t held back by the law or oppositional parties.

I hope that helps. My worry is that the right wing extremists are more popular in India than they are in the US.

jeffw OP ,

I honestly never realized (or forgot?) that Gandhi was killed by a Hindu nationalist.

assassin_aragorn ,

My mom brings it up from time to time. It’s important to recognize I think that the zealots in power today belong to the same ideology, and they were pissed at Gandhi because he wanted a united, secular India.

jeffw OP ,

Honestly, it’s something more people should know about. Granted, I don’t know a ton of Indian history but I probably still know more about India than most Americans (I know Uttar Pradesh is the most populous state but don’t ask me to point it out on a map).

assassin_aragorn ,

I can hardly say I’m an expert myself. No one can be well versed in the modern history of every country, don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s just good to look up when there are events going on in that country.

rsuri ,

You misspelled Republicans. Most US-based Indians aren’t anti-Islamic because they often get lumped in with muslims when Republicans go on xenophobic crusades.

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