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MaShinKotoKai ,

People should pay less attention to the opinions of the news and form their own. The news is more or less bought and paid for. They’re all owned by entertainment companies who sell us movies and TV for money. Pay enough money and tell them what to say and you have modern day news.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@kbin.social avatar

bOtH SiDeS!

niktemadur ,
@niktemadur@kbin.social avatar

aRe ThE sAmE!

Then every time Democrats try and pass something meaningful, but are blocked and sabotaged by republicans who have way too much power because of lazy idiots using "all or nothing purity" as an excuse to not vote, those same lazy idiots - who didn't bother to even do a cursory glance to see how Senators and Representatives voted on bills - go bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe again. And again. And again.

irmoz ,

Alphabet propaganda machine?

jimmydoreisalefty OP ,

CIA, NSA, FBI, and so on…

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

I figured it meant ABC, NBC, CNN...

irmoz ,

Ah, I see. I misunderstood. “Alphabet mafia” is a common pejorative for the LGBTQ+.

People normally refer to those shady collective government agencies as “three letter agencies”.

Blakerboy777 ,

Checked out this guy's profile, once again the fake enlightened centrist is really just a right winger.

irmoz ,

I see them promoting the green party, and encouraging peiple to join unions and co-ops

Not seeing anything right wing

Neato ,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

There are no centrists. Centrists are fine with the status quo which ensure power stays with the current holders. It's a conservative stance.

aseriesoftubes ,

Their post history reads like a bot that was trained exclusively on content from low-information voters.

Blakerboy777 ,

The Green Party is a mouthpiece for Russia. Look at this recent press release: https://www.cornelwest24.org/war_climate_and_my_presidential_campaign

I was going to try to explain how insane this release is, but honestly just read it for yourself.

jimmydoreisalefty OP ,

Stop.

I can’t vote green any harder.

I’m sold already, no need to add more pros.

/s

SoNick ,

Man this place needs a no politics rule or something

mohKohn ,

or at least no rhetorical questions looking for a circle -jerk

Neato ,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Report it. It isn't really a question. It's political posturing.

mister_monster ,

Because their minds are immersed in noise.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

The two parties make sure that no third party can come up. This is a special flaw in the us american kind of (former) democracy.

OsakaWilson , (edited )

What is the Democratic scaremongering and propaganda?

Democrats are shitty because they are generally corporate sellouts. Republicans do the scaremongering and propaganda.

sorebuttfromsitting ,

to be fair, OP did say “Democrat and Republican scare mongering (etc)”

OP suggested “it” might be due to what we we eat. also OP explained NOTHING of what they meant.

OP is categorically a stain on all this.

OsakaWilson ,

For some reason, Republicans accuse their advisaries of the things they themselves are actually doing. My guess is that OP was Republican, has come to see that the Republicans are full of shit , bit still believes the lies they told about Democrats.

catreadingabook ,
@catreadingabook@kbin.social avatar

I feel like at this point, accurately reporting the state of the world counts as 'Democratic scaremongering.' Climate change is making the world less habitable. The coronavirus is capable of killing you. Some people will die as a direct result of the current forced-birth laws. It's possible to have a functioning society without racism and sexism. For some reason, these facts are all "political" and it's not the Democrats who are contesting them.

OsakaWilson ,

Scaremongering is by definition fabricating or playing up dangers. These are real.

MaxVerstappen ,

Are you making a distinction between those who vote Democrat and the politicians in the party? I would say there is quite a difference there.

jwiggler ,
@jwiggler@sh.itjust.works avatar

Mainstream media is generally propaganda, too, even lots of “left leaning” media.

For example, we don’t hear about the war crimes committed by Ukraine, only ones by Russia.

We don’t hear about how the US was actively working with right-wing groups in Ukraine to overthrow the government in 2014, efforts that helped further fracture relationship between Ukraine and Russia.

Or the military posturing by NATO in a geographically adjacent country to Russia.

War makes us forget nuance and accept simple absolute truths like Russia attacked Ukraine and therefore Ukraine must defend itself.

And for the record: fuck Russia for this ongoing conflict. They are the perpetrators, for sure. But all historical context to this conflict is completely thrown out in the eyes of the mainstream media.

Where are the anti-war democrats? Where are the people looking to end the war, rather than further fuel it with weapons? Nowhere to be found.

You know why? Because war makes too much money. Americans are paying to subsidize the cost of weapons to keep the war going. We the people are funding this.

We say “what are we supposed to do? Just let Russia invade Ukraine?” And then turn a blind eye to Palestinians occupied by Israel.

kirklennon ,

Where are the anti-war democrats?

Voting to send Ukraine all of the weapons and resources they can possibly use. That is the only legitimate anti-war stance. It's a remarkably black and white scenario where an authoritarian country invaded its democratic neighbor. Russia could end the war immediately simply by leaving. Ukraine, on the other hand, needs to actually win the war. Anything other than an absolute Ukrainian victory where Russia is forced out of all of Ukraine is a victory for war. The real-world anti-war position is that war must not be allowed to be an effective means of aggression. If war works, we get more war. When dictators learn that war doesn't work, we'll have less war. As long as Putin isn't willing to pull back his soldiers and abandon all claims to all Ukrainian land, the only other option is to defeat him in battle.

Anybody who opposes arming Ukraine is objectively pro-war because the only plausible outcome in that scenario is a Russian victory.

RightHandOfIkaros ,

Humans cannot resist the opportunity to feel like they belong to a group that looks down on others. So it doesnt really matter what the propaganda is, humans will always fall for it.

vzq ,

Sir, this is a Lemmy.

jimmydoreisalefty OP ,

Hello, Lemmy.

This is jimmydoreisalefty.

Nice to meet you!

Beetschnapps ,

And it’s getting overrun recently with morons trying to pretend they don’t support conservative fascists while repeating their talking points and offering nothing but “both sides” BS and only criticizing the left wing.

vzq ,

Absolutely true. But I can only get so worked up about it, so I just make fun of them.

jimmydoreisalefty OP ,

This has been brought to you by your local 3rd party citizen.

I have no affiliation with the links below. Just a keyboard warrior in my basement eating cheetos and drinking mountain dew.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

www.gp.orgwww.cornelwest24.org

edit: word, affiliation

sorebuttfromsitting ,

nah bro. just no. third parties only win in extraordinary, and terrible scenarios. it happens. what is it you want? an extraordinary and terrible situation?

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

I’d rather have viable potential for 5+ candidates running so that there’s more options than [the corporate sell outs] and [the regressive assholes that want to bring back slavery and institute puritanical christian theocracy while selling us off to the same corporations].

basically I’d like to have somebody that actually represents me.

sorebuttfromsitting ,

same, but “ranked choice voting” is the reform i would prefer

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

ranked choice is one way to possibly get there.

Another would be to force turn over with term limits. I mean, Mitch McConnell has been a senator for longer than I’ve been alive,

sorebuttfromsitting ,

whether it’s “ranked choice” or “term limits” or “Supreme Court ethics”, can you fix any of this, in a Constitutional Framework?

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

congress can- if they pull their heads out of their asses- impose ethics on the supreme court. States can go to ranked choice voting simply by doing it. Term limits would likely have to take an amendment.

yes. we can fix it. Will it be easy? absolutely not because these assholes built a system to share power between the two parties specifically because sharing power was more advantageous than risking people that would not maintain the status quo in. (No, this isn’t a “both sides” argument. the republicans being objectively, subjectively and in any other way you care to measure it genuinely awful people, does not mean the democrats aren’t assholes, too.)

Quasari ,

It starts at the local level. National 3rd party candidates are just spoilers used to split the vote enough for one side to win when they wouldn’t in a 1v1. Until the third party builds enough momentum in city->county->state elections they will never be viable nationwide.

Instead of focusing on the national, they need to pick a few places to focus on and grow viable candidates throughout the whole process. If they can flip one state to the third party, then we might start talking about their viability.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t disagree with that statement. There’s also something to be said with exploring how we actually elect people to positions. Especially president/vice pres tickets.

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

Without voting system reform, competitive 5 way races would be a disaster. That would mean a candidate could win with 23% of the vote. Imagine if you have Fascist McJones running vs 2 Liberals, 1 Leftist and Joe the Fruit Cookie. Fascist McJones gets 23%, 2 Liberals split 44%, Leftist gets 20% and Joe Fruit Cookie gets 13%. Fascist McJones wins despite their ideology having overall 41% less voters.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Look, I didn’t say it was an easy thing to achieve. I said it’s a dream I have.

Probably a pipe dream given current political realities. it really would be nice, though, to have people that we’re voting for based on their merits. and not because of the other idiot’s objectionable qualities. “The lesser of 2 evils” voting style is exactly why we’re in this place.

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

Sure,l it's a lovely idea, just that switching to 3-5 way races without changing the voting system of winner-takes-all would be worse.

SupraMario ,

RCV doesn’t allow that to happen.

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

Yes, that's what I meant by "without voting system reform".

Someone pointed out flaws of RCV to me one time and had a suggestion for a better system, but unfortunately I don't recall the details.

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

That gives me an idea of making one of the most impractical domain/subdomain combos ever

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