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CoggyMcFee , (edited )

Here’s a hypothetical store in a place where, say, 9:00 is now 23:00 using global time. The store would have been open 9:00-21:00 Mon and Wed, and 10:00-22:00 on Tuesday. But with global time it would look like this:

Mon 23:00 - Tue 11:00

Wed 0:00 - 12:00

Wed 23:00 - Thu 11:00

Not to mention the general headache of having the day change over in the middle of the day every day. “Meet me tomorrow” when tomorrow starts at lunchtime.

Plus, although you’d easily be able to set up international meetings in terms of getting the time right, you will have no idea whether any given time is during work hours in the other country, or even if people would be sleeping. Instead of having time zones you could look up, we’d have to look up a reference chart for, say, when lunchtime is in a country and extrapolate from there. Or imagine visiting a country and you need to constantly use a reference guide to figure out the appropriate time for everything throughout the day.

Books that reference time would all be specific to their time “zone”.

It would make so much sense to have a universal time that everyone can refer to for that use case of wanting to schedule things. And, in fact, UTC already exists.

leftzero ,

You have 244 timezones.

Let’s have one timezone for the whole world!

You have 245 timezones.

some_guy ,

Do you really wanna live in the part of the world where sunrise happens at 2pm?

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldn’t mind. The fact there’s summer and winter time, also proves this point to a degree. You’d just have to get use to the fact it’s 2PM in the morning. But it would solve a lot of issues. Australia already has summed in december. No biggie.

fidodo ,

It would make checking the meeting time a little easier, but make scheduling it way way harder. When scheduling a meeting I want to try to make it reasonable for everyone in the meeting and without time zones I’d have to look up a unique table of when daytime is for every location. That sounds so much worse to me than having a standardized time offset where reasonable working hours are pretty consistently defined. And the main time where I need to check time zones are at scheduling time anyways. When it comes to checking the meeting time everything I use already automatically converts the time to my local time.

Mubelotix , (edited )
@Mubelotix@jlai.lu avatar

Fun fact: In 1793 France defined the metric time consisting in one single timezone, 10 hours per day, 100 minutes per hour and 100 seconds per minute. The people never used it and everyone forgot about it. It was later renamed decimal time

121mhz ,

Pilots already do this. Everything in aviation is “ZULU” time. In computers, we call it UTC or +0000. It actually works really well because we cross time zones so easily.

I would totally be in favor of switching to a universal time zone. But inertia is hard to overcome. Most people don’t change time zones very often as they’re usually far from population centers and people know that when they take a trip, that’s when the time zone will change so for most it’s not a daily concern and getting used to a new time zone model would be annoying. When you tell people about the US state of Indiana, they really start to change their minds, that place is fucked up.

Hint: Reykjavik, Iceland is a major city that uses UTC always, no Daylight Savings Time there. I always keep my second time zone on my watch and phone set to that.

Delphia ,

We cant get Americans to use metric…

Chainweasel ,

One big argument I keep hearing is that it would be too expensive.
It’s honestly not that bad. The estimated cost is around $350 million. Now, that might sound like a lot but when you take into account that it’s about $1 per person it doesn’t seem so bad.
Now, if you consider the military budget of $480 Billion per year it seems even smaller.
It would take approximately 0.07% of the 2024 military budget to switch to metric.

Lemming421 ,
@Lemming421@lemmy.world avatar

I imagine almost a bigger issue than the cost would be the… what’s the American equivalent of a Gammon?.. you know, those people that wouldn’t change to Metric if their life depended on it. Four rods to the hogshead was good enough for their grandpappy and no filthy pinko liberal commie will get them to change. The ones that still don’t wear seatbelts unless a cop is watching.

aidan ,

It’s not cost, it’s just apathy. For most people it would take a while to learn, especially since after school you’re not really measuring that much in most jobs.

Delphia ,

Step 1. Make all food packaging list both for a few years. That easy, just put it out there so it starts sinking in slowly.

aidan ,

I mean why?

activ8r ,

You could always start switching over then give up half way through. Then you’d be like your Grandpa England.

randombullet ,

I use UTC for all of my logs. Keeps it less confusing.

Donebrach ,
@Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

“you’re fucking late to your goddamn shift you lazy piece of shit it’s already 35*()*46 B,shk past 73!!”

redcalcium ,

People that proposes to replace local timezones with global UTC must be living in europe where it doesn’t impact them much if we do abolish the timezone. Now consider people that lives in the other side of the planet. Most people are active during the day, yet for them, the day will end right in the afternoon under the new system. So you tell your friend “hey, let’s meet tomorrow”, then your friend would be like “do you mean this afternoon, or in the morning next day?”. No way people living in the asia pacific would accept this without military intervension.

WhipperSnapper ,
@WhipperSnapper@lemmy.ml avatar

I think they mean concepts like morning and evening, or day and night would remain. The difference would be that in London, midnight would be 12:00am, but in San Fransisco, midnight would be… 16:00 / 4:00pm. Each timezone would have to adjust the numbers, in the same way the southern hemisphere considers January to be in the summer.

redcalcium , (edited )

I think the compromise would be the country/region that proposes global time should get the +12h offset. If the benefit really outweigh the pain for them, then they can deal with such a large offset themselves and spare the rest of the world from the brunt of the pain.

HatchetHaro ,
@HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

nah, a 12-hour offset is boring and easy to deal with. give them a 6-hour offset.

redcalcium , (edited )

12h offset is where it causes the maximum confusion to society because the date changes right in the middle of the day. In our personal and professional live, we never considered the date can change right in the middle of the day, causing wide variety of minor inconvenience in our daily life. Some examples of minor inconveniences:

  • Celebrating new year at noon. No more firework shows (could be good for the environment?).
  • Is today your friend’s birthday yet? Or is it in the afternoon?
  • should we celebrate christmas on 24th-25th or 25th-26th? Will Santa sneaks into our house at noon?
  • and possibly more minor inconveniences…
HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

isn’t that just timezones with extra steps?

smo ,

That’s usually the case.

I live and work on London time. If I want to have a phonecall with someone in the Philippines, I have to be mindful that 9am for me is 5pm for them, so I’ll need to make the effort to start early to catch them while they’re still at work.

Without timezones: If I want to have a phonecall with someone in the Philippines, I have to be mindful that their working day is 1am to 9am, so I’ll need to make the effort to start early to catch them while they’re still at work.

I’ll still need to lookup when their working day is, I’ll still have to adjust/account for it, and I’ll still have to get up early / start work early to make that call. Getting rid of timezones doesn’t get rid of that +8 or the affects of that +8, it just renames how we communicate it.

kevincox ,
@kevincox@lemmy.ml avatar

must be living in europe

This is a very dismissive argument. I live in a time zone where the day number would roll over during my waking day. But I still think that it would be better overall. (But not worth the switching costs.)

“do you mean this afternoon, or in the morning next day?”

It takes very little imagination to realize that this would not be an issue. “Tomorrow” would almost certainly be interpreted as roughly the next daylight period. This issue already exists as people are often up at midnight and somehow we don’t get confused when people say “I’ll see you tomorrow” at 23:55. We know that they don’t mean in 5min. This is just a source of jokes, but no one gets confused.

The real issue would be things like “want to meet on wednesday” if there is a transition during working hours or “want to go out for dinner on the 17th” if the day transition happens near dinner time. I think this would be the hardest part to adapt to, but language is a flexible thing and I doubt it would take long for it to adapt.

redcalcium ,

I still think the people that would benefit the most from this change are europeans. They are mostly borderless and often works across the member countries than spans 7 timezones, centered roughly around the utc. It’s all benefits with very little downsides.

It takes very little imagination to realize that this would not be an issue.

There are a whole loads of minor annoyances related to this, most of them would vary depending on the local culture. In addition to that, not all countries are sufficiently globalized to realize the benefits of universal time, especially 3rd world countries. People living in those countries will experiences all the drawback with none of the benefits in their daily live.

CoggyMcFee ,

It takes very little imagination to realize that this would not be an issue. “Tomorrow” would almost certainly be interpreted as roughly the next daylight period.

So when someone is doing this international meeting stuff they have to be very careful about saying “let’s look at this tomorrow” because in various places that can mean different things depending on when each person’s night is.

Demonmariner ,

We do, it’s called Universal Coordinated Time. The time is now 00:37 UTC, or 16:37 Pacific Daylight Savings Time.

afraid_of_zombies ,

You mean like UTC? That thing we already have?

ShepherdPie ,

Yeah, what if we had that… but different… but the same?

afraid_of_zombies ,

Like the Good Place’s plan to make larger mini doughnuts that weren’t just regular doughnuts.

kautau ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/46563b4f-9767-4ad4-9aa8-4df31ce93b8b.png

pan_troglodytes ,

eh… do you really want to be scheduled to start work at 8am when 8am is mid-afternoon? me neither.

platypus_plumba ,

If we had a single time zone, we couldn’t use “am” or “pm”.

These mean ante-meridiem and post-meridiem. So, before midday and after midday. There would be no concept of midday linked to hours that could apply to all locations.

The most apropiate would be talking in 24h format. It wouldn’t bother me if someone said I have to wake up at 13 and finish my job at 21. These are just numbers.

But yeha, it’s still a bad idea because people would have to change calendars constantly because of daylight savings.

pan_troglodytes ,

yeah I see what you mean. you’d have to replace all 12 hour clocks world-wide though - and then accept that it would take generations for people to adapt. it’d probably never going to happen.

HatchetHaro ,
@HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s a cool idea, but then you lose the local representation of the daylight cycle, which just complicates things again as you try to schedule things with people in other countries without knowing if it’s their bedtime or not.

I play games with international friends and work with international colleagues, so I have my fair share of troubles with time zones. If anything, abolishing daylight savings worldwide would yield much better results.

On a side note, when scheduling events on Discord, I like to add in a unix timestamp that shows everybody their local time. Quite convenient!

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

It’s a cool idea, but then you lose the local representation of the daylight cycle

We already lost that with our 1-hour time zones and daylight savings. Clock time is no longer bound to solar time, and I think we’re overdue for the retirement of local time.

Managing geographically-dispersed schedules on a single unified time standard isn’t any more complicated than trying to remember everyone’s time zones already is, and would likely reduce confusion overall since unlabeled timestamps would no longer be ambiguous.

If some manager wants to shift their workers’ schedule to account for seasonal light availability? Then just fucking do that and don’t make everyone have to run around manually updating all the clocks.

HatchetHaro ,
@HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

True, but time zones offer a good compromise between solar time and globally-synchronized time.

Having 12pm noon be approximately when the sun is highest in the sky is better than not at all, and still gives some form of regional cohesion in terms of timekeeping.

There are pretty extreme examples, of course; China is one entire UTC+8 time zone, and that means Tibet is still dark when Shanghai is wide awake, which is dumb, and as annoying as the US’s 4 time zones is (not counting Alaska and Hawaii), it still makes regional sense.

Fuck daylight savings time.

bouh ,

We already have it: it’s called UTC. You should read about it probably, instead of asking the whole fucking world to change its uses for your convenience, shouldn’t you?

HatchetHaro , (edited )
@HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

My guy, instead of being condescending for no reason, perhaps you should take the time to actually understand OP’s question.

OP is asking about why the world doesn’t unite under one time zone (UTC+0, UTC-5, UTC+8), not time standard (UTC, TAI, GPST). The hypothetical scenario would be that midnight in the UK would be morning in Japan and evening in the US, but still considered “12 AM” by everyone in those countries, with the hope that it simplifies time coordination across the globe without having to calculate the hour offsets.

I hope you learn to be better, especially in a community called “No Stupid Questions”.

bouh ,

I understand the question very well, it was asked a week or two ago.

This doesn’t simplify anything for anyone because then time would mean nothing. Because of this people would not use this system anyway.

HatchetHaro ,
@HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Then please use that as your answer instead of taking such a needlessly aggressive and rude stance in your comment.

CallMeButtLove ,

This response was pointlessly aggressive.

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