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febra ,

Hamas was hiding under the ambulances.

DoomBot5 ,

Actually, inside of them. That’s a war crime.

TinyPizza ,
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Evidence?

tuxtey ,

Hamas WAS the ambulance bro, 4 for tires, 3 for the engine, about 18 spray painted for the outside, and 1 to make engine noises

TinyPizza ,
@TinyPizza@kbin.social avatar

Most creative thing I've read all day. Your words really brought the image to life. Thank you!

WidowsFavoriteSon ,

Transporting Hamas terrorists.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Zero evidence, nothing from the footage, another IDF lie to kill kids.

I wasn’t sure they are purely genocidal but my belief has changed now.

postmateDumbass ,

So when is Israel bombing Geneva?

Substance_P ,

Indirectly through moral bankruptcy they already have.

bradorsomething ,

After the Holocaust some worked to make sure it never happened again, but some just took good notes.

pufferfischerpulver ,

Not agreeing with what Israel is doing at all. But equalling the bombing of a convoy of ambulances, albeit absolutely despicable, is not the same as the systematic, industrial scale eradication of millions of people. It’s really making the Holocaust seems less insane than it was. Again, not that that gives the Israeli government a carte blanche.

DrZoidbergYes ,

Israel has, for decades, been engaged in the systematic eradication of the people of Palestine. They have been committing genocide. It’s clear their aim is the total destruction of Palestine. While more subtle than the holocaust, the ultimate aim is the same and far more likely to be successful.

Spyd3r ,
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Damage looks more consistent with grenade shrapnel than an “airstrike”.

TinyPizza ,
@TinyPizza@kbin.social avatar

The IDF claimed responsibility already you dunce. Go back to polishing the next set of boots you plan to lick.

Spyd3r ,
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They claimed they hit an ambulance carrying Hamas personnel, there’s no confirmation that it was this specific ambulance.

neeshie ,

Are you stupid or are you a hasbara troll?

SoleInvictus ,
@SoleInvictus@lemmy.world avatar

Aren’t those two things mutually inclusive?

neeshie ,

Well if they’re a hasbara troll then they’re a pos, but at least they’re doing it bc Israel told them too not bc they genuinely don’t know what’s going on

TinyPizza ,
@TinyPizza@kbin.social avatar

You should have your water checked for lead. We've communicated several times and after reading that I genuinely believe whatever is wrong with you is getting worse. I apologize if that sounds harsh, but for your own sake, please get checked out.

TheBananaKing ,

Fucking nazi scum.

Kben ,
@Kben@kbin.social avatar

At this stage you would have to think anyone still supporting this genocide are sick to their very soul.

WaxedWookie ,

It was a Hamas ambulance… The dozen kids at killed in the area? Hamas. The hospitals we bombed? Believe it or not, Hamas. We’re the victims here - look at the number of Palestinian kids Hamas combatants we’ve been forced to kill in a transparently genocidal land-grab self-defence.

-Israel probably.

rockSlayer ,

Strike the designated refugee camp and the emergency responders responding to the strike? Believe it or not, also hamas

postmateDumbass ,

“They were coming right for us!”

Ghyste ,

Hamas whenever it’s convenient.

Franzia ,

I am genuinely wondering how many Hamas they have managed to kill.

WaxedWookie ,

Let’s run the high-level numbers then…

  • So far, they’ve killed ~11k people
  • The population of the West Bank and Gaza strip is ~5m people.
  • There’s 20-25k Hamas members.
  • ~45% of the Palestinian population is children.

So far, Israel have killed ~0.22% of the Palestinian population, which would suggest about 55 Hamas fighters and about 5,000 children.

Franzia ,

Oh. Oh dear.

WaxedWookie ,

…but do you condemn Hamas?

The global media coverage of this is arguably assisting a genocide.

Franzia ,

LMAO so true.

sugarfree ,
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smh.com.au/…/hamas-tried-to-hijack-ambulances-dur…

Hamas terrorists made this happen.

wetnoodle ,
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The Jews made Hitler build gas chambers

TinyPizza ,
@TinyPizza@kbin.social avatar

The allies didn't want to bomb all those concentration camps, killing everyone in them, but there were Nazis in there. You want them to just let the Nazis go unpunished for their crimes? There's only one way to kill very specific people that you want dead. It's an old secret called multiple tons of high explosive.

Franzia ,

The allies did not bomb concentration camps.

rockSlayer ,

Let’s assume those 3 hamas fighters were high ranking officials. Does that justify killing dozens of children? Stop justifying genocide.

sugarfree ,
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The uncomfortable answer is yes. Civilians die in war, as distasteful as that is. However, there is 1000% more criticism against Israel for a lower number of civilian casualties than in other conflicts.

rockSlayer , (edited )

7000 civilians in Palestine have died in under 3 weeks. That’s a genocide in progress, not “unfortunate casualties”. The designated refugee camp was deliberately bombed, and then the emergency responders were bombed while trying to save civilians. That is deliberate.

snek ,
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Ah yes let the pro Israelis lecture us on the value of life and uncomfortable truths.

An uncomfortable truth is that Israel is deliberately killing people at this point.

NeverNudeNo13 ,

How are you going to just bring facts to this shit fest of propaganda driven bias confirmation? Sure HAMAS’s stated goal is the destruction and genocide of Israel and just committed incredible atrocities… That ain’t going to stop these terrorism apologists from drinking the Kool aid before they even get all of into the cup.

TinyPizza , (edited )
@TinyPizza@kbin.social avatar

Bombing a convoy of ambulances is terrorism you root. Israel, the red cross and multiple news agencies were notified well in advance of this convoy leaving the hospital to transport these people to Egypt. They even provided Israel with the exact route it was going to be taking. Out here talking about koolaid when your whole face is stained red.

rockSlayer , (edited )

yea, calling out genocide is terrorist apologia. The 7000 Palestinian civilians sure had it coming, didn’t they?

wetnoodle ,
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    NeverNudeNo13 ,

    You do realize that an enormous swath of Israelis are of middle eastern descendency… Not to mention from pretty much every other nation in the world.

    So since you Americans love to assign colors to people instead of seeing them as people… What color do you think Israelis are?

    I will actually take a moment to explain this to you since I feel bad that most of you have had no exposure to the realities of conflict and American media is hardly reputable.

    The truth of war is that there are always collateral deaths. This is probably the most important reason why war should be avoided. Until someone creates a magic bullet that can sort combatants from non combatants this will always remain a truth.

    If you care for the people you love, you don’t go rape, murder, and behead your neighbor and their children.

    The collateral loss of Palestinians is an absolute tragedy. HAMAS combatants fleeing and hiding in civilian populations is the travesty though.

    But there are no mental gymnastics here, many islamic groups and Arab nations are on record stating that their absolute goal is the total annihilation of Israel and the genocide of Israelis. Israel has no such message or stance.

    If Israel wanted to ensure the genocide of the Palestinians they would have to do nothing more than to expel the Palestinians from their country and to push them to Jordan and Egypt who would shoot every Palestinian at their borders.

    Israel is a nuclear power, if it’s aim was genocide then this would have been the shortest war in history.

    The facts do not support you.

    repungnant_canary ,

    This is from 14 years ago!

    I hope you’re just sarcastic…

    Kalkaline ,
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    Jesus fucking Christ, Israel. Can you try to at least not hit non-combatants?

    RedditWanderer ,

    You mean, can you not try to hit non-conbatants?

    They are aiming for them at this point

    postmateDumbass ,

    Terrorists do what terrorists do.

    SlopppyEngineer ,

    At this moment you get the impression Israel pushed specificity so Hamas would attack, giving them casus belli to wipe Gaza out. You’re expecting Israel to claim they found WMD in Gaza any moment now.

    RedditWanderer ,

    Personally, I feel someone paid Hamas a lot of money to do this, tricking them into thinking they would have support after the attack. Then remove support, let Israel commit genocide with Bidens approval, give ammo to Trump and republicans for 2024.

    Any Democrat or GOP president would have done this because the US likes that grasp on the middle east. If Israel were to come out from under their thumb they’d lose political control.

    This is a super conspiracy of course, but I wouldn’t put it beyond someone like Putin or Xi

    halcyoncmdr ,
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    They don’t see them as non-combatants. At this point they are just categorizing anyone simply being in Gaza as part of Hamas.

    Zorque ,

    "If they weren't Hamas, they would have been in the south... where we totally aren't bombing as well"

    goferking0 ,

    we totally will also let them back in the north later

    FoundTheVegan , (edited )
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    Israel, and it's supporters, will say that Hamas was hiding in the abulences. all of the literal children were all terriosts and that being bombed is proof enough they were Hamas. I mean... WHY ELSE DIDN'T THEY MOVE LIKE WE TOLD THEM TOO?!?

    It's disgusting BS.

    tsonfeir ,
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    I’m sure Hamas was only targeting military targets /s

    It’s a shit show over there and there are no good sides to pick. It’s a holy war fueled by greedy resource hungry companies and countries.

    The solution is NO ONE gets Jerusalem, and it becomes its own nation governed by the UN where no guns are allowed and you can’t talk about religion. I’m sure they’ll go for that hahah.

    kaffiene ,

    Hamas are scum but Israel don’t present themselves as the moral equivalent of terrorists. So making the equivalence here doesn’t help out that much, IMO.

    tsonfeir ,
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    You just made them equivalent, so this comment doesn’t help out here.

    kaffiene ,

    Ah… No I did not

    tsonfeir ,
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    Would you say that calling for the deaths of people make them scum?

    SlikPikker , (edited )

    Israel is ten years older on average. Israel has material superiority.

    They are responsible in a way the Palestinians just cannot be.

    tsonfeir ,
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    10 years older? What?

    SlikPikker ,

    The average Israeli is ten years older than the average Gazan.

    Most Gazans are children, and Israel’s population as a whole are older. They should know better.

    This conflict is the nation state version of child-murder and child-abuse. Even if the “child” (Gaza) lashes out, even if they do unforgivable things, there is still one clearly traceable source of the evil.

    Israel- The literal and figurative adult in the situation. Instead, Israel has laughed, danced, clapped, celebrated, and cheered for this opportunity they have so long sought. Yes, sure, it’s not every Israeli, but that is just as true of the relationship between Gaza and Hamas.

    So now in this reality, where Israel kills so disproportionally, cruel, intentionally, with such malice. We call them monsters.

    tsonfeir ,
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    lol what?!

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