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Bytemeister ,

Can you find any precedent of someone getting red-flagged for something as simple as taking the last Oreo? From what I understand, there is a burden of proof on red-flag laws, it usually takes a judge to issue the order to confiscate. Cops are not given unilateral power to disarm someone without any procedure.

I like how you say this…

Problem is, people do have rights, and as such before you can violate them you have to actually have a reason…

…And then immediately say this…

like “them being involuntarily commited for hearing vioces and expressing homicidal ideation.”

Literally, involuntary committing someone is a violation of their rights, but it is an violation that is well established by law. Just like say…taking away someone’s guns for a period of time while they are openly threatening people and displaying extreme anti-social behavior

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