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IronpigsWizard ,

I really try to think of myself as being nonjudgmental, apparently not in regards to the folks.

I have read/skimmed most of the articles about these people every time another is sentenced, every single time, at the end of the article, a voice/my conscience automatically chimes in, internally, “wow, pathetic”.

So many of them have essentially whined, “I had a bad childhood/youth. I shouldn’t be punished for trying to overthrow the government :(”. Take responsibility for your own actions.

gregorum ,

“I am not some crazed maniac,” said the crazed maniac. 

Bonesince1997 ,

As easy as it is to set aside, if this is what these guys think and see in themselves, then what is wrong? Why don’t they see it, at least eventually? Dismissing his statement is the easy part. And I don’t mean to get anyone down about that either. Have at it. I’m just very curious how anyone, let alone many someones, could do such things and then believe they haven’t done the thing opposite to what they are saying. And if it’s delusion, sure, but why and how did it happen.

killeronthecorner ,
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It’s simply a refusal to accept blame. They start with “I can’t be in the wrong” and then run through the narcissist’s prayer until they hit a line they like and stick to it.

IronpigsWizard ,

Definitely a maturity issue here. So many of these people have used childhood/young adult experiences to justify adult behavior.

Did not Sigmund Freud or someone say that you tend to stay locked into the mindset of a certain age when abuse/extreme abuse happened to you?

Some theorist believed that, an I am pretty sure it has been strongly discredited. I’m just not so sure if it should have been in light of these many…individuals.

Though, eh, I suppose the argument could be made that they are all sociopaths’, have borderline personality disorder, etc.

echodot ,

Sigmund Freud just said a lot of random stuff with essentially no evidence to back it up, all of which has, unsurprisingly, been refuted in recent decades.

The existence of emotionally immature individuals of limited intelligence does not prove his theory. If anything Freuds own life experiences should have taught him that some people just love to hate. Perhaps if they had received the necessary therapy at a young age they may have turned out differently, but that would have required both them and their legal guardians to actually respect therapy as an idea, and we know that they wouldn’t have done.

Perhaps that’s really the ultimate problem, everyone can suffer personality disorders but it’s only those from crap upbringings that allow them to propagate into adulthood, everyone else gets the help they need.

IronpigsWizard ,

Yeah, I feel like these individuals (and likely as you said, their parents) would probably call someone a, “f*ggot” or some other awful slur for being in therapy.

I grew up around plenty of those types, indoctrinating their children to be as shitty as they are.

sin_free_for_00_days ,

Shane Jenkins, 46, acknowledged in D.C. federal court that he had an “extensive” criminal history and apologized “for all the pain and suffering I’ve caused.” But, he added: “I love this country. I’m not some crazed maniac.”

Using a tomahawk he brought with him from Texas, Jenkins was the first to smash a window on the West Terrace of the U.S. Capitol, and was caught on video shouting “we paid for it, it’s our f—ing building.”

Uhhhmmm. Ok, buddy.

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