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TokenBoomer ,

Is THC the main ingredient in Soma?

Chainweasel ,

Anything short of completely descheduling it is an injustice.

flipht ,

It can stay scheduled. But it should be schedule 4 - low potential for abuse, low risk of dependence.

Sanguine ,

But that is objectively false… it’s at least a moderate risk for both abuse and dependence.

flipht ,

It is not physically addictive. If your life sucks and you use it to cope, you'll be cranky when you stop, same as if you used trash TV to cope but your cable goes out.

You cannot overdose on pot. You can try, and the worst that will happen is that you'll fall asleep. It is not dangerous on its own.

Don't like the schedule 4 distinction? Fine, pick another. But having it set to schedule 1, same as heroin and PCP, is insane and 100% politically motivated.

arefx ,

Weed is actually physically addictive just much less so than other drugs. Heavy users can’t sleep or eat, and have bad neausea and GI issues for weeks after quiting. That’s literally all physical withdrawal. If you’re someone who says oh I smoke and can quit whenever and don’t have those problems then I can tell you, you aren’t smoking nearly as much weed as some other people lol.

I’m not against weed, I use it all the time, but it is absolutely physically addictive. More so than caffeine.

Bakkoda ,

My dopamine levels get pretty fuckin wonky when I do a month long break after 6+ months.

afraid_of_zombies ,

It is not physically addictive. If your life sucks and you use it to cope, you’ll be cranky when you stop, same as if you used trash TV to cope but your cable goes out.

I see you have meet an ex of mine. Totally useless and unable to do anything after work except watch 3 hours of the same TV shows she grew up with. No, we didn’t break up over this. It was mildly annoying not relationship breaking.

Sanguine ,

It is physically addictive.

Schedule 1 is bullshit but schedule 4 is too lax… schedule 3 would be the best fit… also on the topic, benzos should absolutely be ranked higher than 4.

JDubbleu ,

Considering you cannot die from overdose or withdrawal I very much disagree.

afraid_of_zombies ,

That can’t be true. There must be some level high enough that can kill you.

Thassodar ,

It is more than can possibly be consumed by any person in a single lifetime, and there’s no concentration of that amount in existence.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Ok you are saying it unreasonable via normal methods. Not that if you were trying and had a full-scale lab.

escapesamsara ,

No it’d be unreasonable if you were trying in a full-scale lab with sci-fi grade vats of pure THC. The LD50 is 1270mg per 1kg; or 101,600mg for an average American adult. For example that’s about twice as toxic as table salt or about 10 times less toxic than caffeine. If you were to fall in a vat of pure d9 THC suspended in any solution, you would drown before you could be exposed to enough to meet the LD50. If you got out of the vat without drowning, you would not die from the THC, literally it would be impossible. Additionally, at the rate it is metabolized by the body, that 101,600mg needs to happen within about a half hour. If you spread that exposure out over a day, you literally cannot die from it. To really emphasize this, if you’re a functional adult eating 2,000 calories of the highest density gummy available on the market (25mg d9 thc x 10 cal) per day, getting all of your nutrition from THC gummies, you would be ingesting around 5,000mg of d9 THC that day; remember you need 101,600mg per hour to reach the LD50.

It is literally not physically possible to ingest enough to overdose, and injecting it does nothing. It is easier to accidentally overdose on water than it is d9 THC.

Sanguine ,

There are absolutely withdrawal symptoms for cannabis use. Lethality is not the criteria used to determine abuse or dependence potential.

Foggyfroggy , (edited )

He didn’t say no withdrawal symptoms, but in any event, that’s not relevant. Caffeine and nicotine both have withdrawal symptoms comparable in severity. Now if you want to discuss withdrawal from benzodiazepines or alcohol there is a lot of work there. Why aren’t they scheduled as aggressively? Because of the medical applications and from appetite stimulation in oncology patients to ptsd, marijuana has justifiable benefits.

esadatari ,

under schedule 3 it’ll be easier to obtain than adderal.

i know the young folks think it should be an all or nothing solution but the truth is the country as a whole rarely moves that way with so many contending views.

this is how you change those views against it, by removing the demonization over time in phases.

this gives time for the private prison systems and big pharma and big alcohol/tobacco to get their ducks in a row for the changes that will surely arrive.

when the people who believe that it is the worst drug ever see what a difference in perception can do as the government no longer demonizes it, that’s when it’ll be fully legalized.

shit sucks but with over half the country filled with fucking idiots, you really need to be able to crawl before you can walk or even run. this is a step in the right direction and i’ve been around long enough to see what a fucking foot in the legal door this is.

arefx ,

Weed is legal recreationally in 50% of the country already. Just legalize it federally.

esadatari ,

cool. let’s just get a list of all the republican congressman and senators that will surely vote yes on this.

it’s not a dictatorship, thank god, and half the country’s leadership is against it and won’t vote for its legalization at this point in time.

so go ahead. get that list of republicans. because they also have a lot of the deciding power. the president is one man on one side of the isle.

this is a way of changing that slowly and surely.

so while yea they should legalize it federally, with the current fuckwads on the right fucking things up for everyone, full legalization isn’t in the books yet. if you don’t see that, then there’s no getting through to you and have a nice day.

LordXenu ,

What I am excited about is by easing scheduling scientific research could be done at a much faster rate. Having actual data and research would help guide the legal transition. Laws and social expectations will have to be worked out once it’s readily available.

BlinkerFluid , (edited )
@BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

There is one hidden, tiny problem.

Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome.

You may never get it. 99.99% of the people you know may never get it, but some do. I did. It’s not the kind of thing you get from eating too much ketchup or even smoking two packs a day for five years. It’s god damned awful, painful and can rack up a lot of medical debt until you get diagnosed properly.

I’m not saying ban weed. I love weed, well, loved. Just make this shit easier to identify, treat, and deal with before we go releasing the kraken of THC untethered upon everyone. If you’re old enough, one bout of that shit might kill you. That’s a heavy toll to pay on something that you might want to legalize.

Queue the apologists:

Neve8028 ,

I mean, there are potential negative effects associated with any substance use. It’s not worth stopping the legalization of an otherwise safe substance because of a condition that 0.01% of people get. It’s like saying that we need to stop producing peanuts because some people are deathly allergic.

SheeEttin ,

You have a higher risk of developing CHS if you use cannabis at least once a week. Your risk also increases if you have used cannabis since adolescence. The only way to cure CHS is to stop using cannabis.

Sounds like an easy fix. If smoking weed makes you puke, just… don’t smoke weed. I don’t see how this is a problem.

Franzia , (edited )

There is also the risk of developing schizophrenia. And the risk of use effecting male fertility. And epigenetics. hope scheduling delivers us a library full of research.

check comment below, what I orginially said is iffy or even false.

Kangie ,

Lotta whataboutism there. While cannabis use can trigger schizophrenia in those who are already predisposed to it, so can things like a period of stress, the loss of a loved one, or a car crash. If cannabis caused schizophrenia to occur in rates higher than the baseline we would know by now; it’s been in wide use for long enough that any conceivable lag period has been accounted for.

The University of Chicago Medicine article here suggests that CBD actively binds to sperm cells, so any impact on fertility should be reversed given time.

we found that a certain part of the marijuana compound (CBD) had affinity to latch or bind to receptors on the sperm’s structure, altering its shape and function, which can ultimately decrease fertility in men.

How much time, good question - more study is required (and is ongoing), but your concerns appear to mostly be over nothing.

Franzia ,

Thank you!

SeducingCamel ,

God I hope it reduces my fertility

Franzia ,

Lmaoooo. Yea.

afraid_of_zombies ,

and can rack up a lot of medical debt

I think I found the real problem

Franzia ,

www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling

The DEA Drug Scheduling list is a complete fucking mess. However, by definition alone I would place Marijuana in Schedule 3 or 4.

Bakkoda ,

If you didn’t know, it wasn’t that long ago (2014) that hydrocodone was a schedule 3. Imagine that shit.

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