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Three years after a foiled plot to kidnap Michigan's governor, the final trial is set to begin

Nearly three years after authorities foiled a bizarre plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, the last defendants accused of taking part go on trial Monday.

Eric Molitor and brothers William Null and Michael Null were among 14 men, described by prosecutors as anti-government extremists, charged in the scheme weeks before the November 2020 election. They were angered by Whitmer’s COVID-19 policies, which shut down schools and restricted the economy, investigators said in court filings.

UFODivebomb ,

Call it what it was: Terrorism

Saneless ,

They’re so afraid of using that word

If they were brown they would and people would nod along accepting it. These people are no different

Kata1yst ,
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Once again, we are incredibly lucky they were so stupid.

someguy3 ,

Weren’t they infiltrated by an FBI agent?

Strangle ,

They were organized by multiple FBI informants

someguy3 ,

That’s not entrapment if you think it is. But we’ll see the details come out.

Strangle ,

I’m not a lawyer, but it’s plenty sus that the FBI does shit like this.

‘Infiltrate’ a group of people and then invent some scheme, record people saying ‘yay that’s awesome!’ And then arresting everyone over a crime that the FBI themselves cooked up

Mcdolan ,

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    Strangle ,
    • some of the informants the government used appeared to play a far greater role in the plot than had been previously reported. In fact, the informants had a hand in nearly every aspect of the twisted machination, including its inception.

    Can you guys not read, or follow embedded links to sources of information?

    This federalist piece outlines how the FBI operates exactly this way, too:

    thefederalist.com/…/the-whitmer-kidnapping-case-r…

    FlyingSquid ,
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    The Federalist! There’s a source you can definitely trust!

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/321546d7-c87b-46b2-9d2a-e7334557c7d9.png

    Strangle ,

    Oh I’m sorry, it’s not the paragon of reporting you usually read, like ‘salon’ or some fucking garbage.

    How about we engage in the point and not the media? That’s the only way you people know how to defend a point. “Oh, salon didn’t write it, it just not be true!”

    Worthless

    FlyingSquid ,
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    mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/

    mediabiasfactcheck.com/salon/

    If I have to read one of those two, it won’t be the Federalist.

    Strangle ,

    Really? Why?

    Yes, I know that most media has a left or right bias. It sucks but that’s why you should read everything and use your own fucking brain

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Did you actually read the links? That might tell you why.

    roboticide ,

    Of the nine that have seen trial so far, seven have been found guilty by a jury of their peers.

    Actual lawyers and the justice system have not found what the FBI did to be entrapment, despite that attempted defense being used.

    That’s not to say the FBI doesn’t do any wrong - they have and probably will continue to do so - but these guys weren’t innocent victims caught up on overblown charges just playing pretend. They were plotting to do actual harm and the planning was serious enough that it was their own recruits who defected and informed. It wasn’t some FBI honeypot they all stumbled into.

    infyrin ,
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    Nice zero-proof claim, chief.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Yes, every time people you agree with make you look bad, it’s always the feds.

    “Party of personal responsibility” has always been horseshit.

    circuscritic ,

    There were multiple informants, and it’s a pretty defensible position that without the FUNDING provided BY the informants this couldn’t of happened.

    I’m sure they were all douchebag morons, but seriously go read the details of the case, it’s wild. Here’s an article to start, if you care:

    theintercept.com/…/fbi-terrorism-gretchen-whitmer…

    someguy3 ,

    Funding is not a defensible position.

    “Hey we’re gonna go do some illegal shit, wanna join? We just need more people.”

    If they go out to do it, they committed a crime.

    OldWoodFrame ,

    When someone asks why the Trump indictments “took so long” point them to this.

    Burn_The_Right ,

    Conservatism should be outlawed. Period.

    Stinkywizzleteets ,

    In that case liberalism should be outlawed too. Can’t have it both ways.

    Oderus ,

    You thought you had a smart response didn’t you?

    Stinkywizzleteets ,

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    SpaceBishop ,

    Republicans: plot to kidnap and murder governor

    Your dumb ass: BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE

    Strangle ,

    ‘FBI’ plot

    Fixed it for you

    infyrin ,
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    Go shitpost elsewhere.

    Stinkywizzleteets ,

    How bout you suck deez nuts

    Strangle ,

    Lemmy users are even stupider than reddit users.

    It’s like they took the bottom 5% of the communists in reddit and moved them over here

    theyoyomaster ,

    Yeah, at least half the posts in memes aren’t even memes at all. Just cringe statements like a 13 year old newly communist edgelord would make.

    Burn_The_Right ,

    Well look at that! Someone named “theyoyomaster” is calling people childish. 🤣

    With conservatives, every accusation is a confession!

    theyoyomaster ,

    I mean, I created my standard username when I was starting highschool and haven’t changed it. Considering at the time I was literally being paid to yo-yo, it stuck. If your never ending need to project is that strong and all you have to counter what I’m saying is literally attacking a username then go ahead. Maybe one day you’ll grow up enough to realize that shit like this never convinces 3rd parties of your views.

    SCB ,

    Outlawing conservatism is essentially outlawing liberalism because outlawing thought is absolutely tyranny.

    Conservatives are all wrong about pretty much everything pretty much all of the time, but a core aspect of liberalism is that they’re allowed to be wrong.

    mind ,

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    Burn_The_Right ,

    Easy. Just outlaw overt bigotry, misogyny, antisemitism, homophobia and xenophobia.

    Conservatism would effectively be illegal.

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