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U.S. government report says fluoride at twice the recommended limit is linked to lower IQ in kids

A U.S. government report expected to stir debate concluded that fluoride in drinking water at twice the recommended limit is linked with lower IQ in children.

The report, based on an analysis of previously published research, marks the first time a federal agency has determined — “with moderate confidence” — that there is a link between higher levels of fluoride exposure and lower IQ in kids. While the report was not designed to evaluate the health effects of fluoride in drinking water alone, it is a striking acknowledgment of a potential neurological risk from high levels of fluoride.

Fluoride strengthens teeth and reduces cavities by replacing minerals lost during normal wear and tear, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The addition of low levels of fluoride to drinking water has long been considered one of the greatest public health achievements of the last century.

“I think this (report) is crucial in our understanding” of this risk, said Ashley Malin, a University of Florida researcher who has studied the affect of higher fluoride levels in pregnant women on their children. She called it the most rigorously conducted report of its kind.

Spitzspot ,
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It’s almost like “the dose makes the poison”.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Levels at twice the limit do bad things? Who would have thought.

solsangraal , (edited )

at twice the limit do bad things?

i call water fluoridation bullshit, i don’t care what anyone says. of all things, why force everyone to consume this toxic chemical, especially when there’s no way to know how much an individual is drinking, and also especially since the dose inevitably gets fucked up.

The Cochrane report also concluded that early scientific investigations on water fluoridation (most were conducted before 1975) were deeply flawed. “We had concerns about the methods used, or the reporting of the results, in … 97 percent of the studies,” the authors noted. One problem: The early studies didn’t take into account the subsequent widespread use of fluoride-containing toothpastes and other dental fluoride supplements, which also prevent cavities. This may explain why countries that do not fluoridate their water have also seen big drops in cavity rates (see chart).

hsph.harvard.edu/…/fluoridated-drinking-water/

i find it MUCH more likely that fluoride, as a toxic waste industrial by product was just sold to the public as a “miracle” cure for cavities, so that corporations could sell it to the taxpayer, rather than pay to have it disposed of

…osu.edu/…/toxic-treatment-fluorides-transformati…

it’s the same shit as the “recycling solution” to plastic waste that was sold to us by…plastics manufacturers. which also turned out to be complete bullshit

edit: since no one’s offering a substantial defense of mandatory fluoridation without consent, i’m going to bed. enjoy your drain bamage

Icalasari ,

Fluoride does strengthen teeth. However, this study shows that maybe dentists should be administering it (A dentist handed me a mouthwash with it, and literally I had a choice of a daily one or a weekly one, and since it's mouth wash, you're supposed to spit it out. So clearly it can be applied to the teeth without needed to be ingested at all)

solsangraal ,

without needed to be ingested at all

that’s the point-- lots of things are beneficial–why force a chemical that can so easily be overconsumed on everyone without asking if they want it? people think their teeth are going to fall out if they don’t drink fluoride. fine–why not sell it as a product that people can choose to purchase if they want it, instead of dumping it in the water supply?

andyburke ,
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Because not everyone is like you. Not everyone has the eeucation you do. Not everyone has the same means to buy beneficial stuff. Not everyone takes the kind of care they should of their children.

Flouridated water, by most accounts, has had a really positivie impact on public health.

We should do our best to make sure our water supply is well funded and monitored. Unfortunately, more and more water systems are privatized and clean drinking water and corporate profits don't seem compatible to me.

But we should be pragmatic and clear eyed. I worry to see phrases like "I don't care what anyone says" in a scientific context.

solsangraal ,

it’s not even about science, it’s about principle. if tax dollars are already paying for the fluoride, then they can give it away as a supplement, instead of “welcome to the land of the free, except you’re drinking fluoride whether you want it or not. oh by the way here’s a study showing your kids’ brain damage from us dumping too much fluoride in the water. oops”

how many of these instances of “oops” is too many for you?

for me it’s >0

Irremarkable ,
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How do you feel about iodized salt?

solsangraal , (edited )

there are plenty of no-iodide salts available

edit: as it turns out, i happen to have both

https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/ed55a157-a092-4c89-b592-7aae267d75ba.webp

Irremarkable ,
@Irremarkable@fedia.io avatar

Like how you could choose to go buy distilled water or other fluoride free water if you really cared enough? So we agree it's not actually a problem? Cool.

solsangraal ,

i already do that. i’m not agreeing with shit. read the post article again. it IS a problem

SpaceNoodle ,

You must have bad a lot of fluoride as a kid.

solsangraal ,
SpaceNoodle ,

The same assholes made us take lead out of gasoline. Which also is a possible explanation for you.

finley ,

Maybe

Sometimes

iiGxC ,

strong teeth 💪🦷🦷🦷 dumb brain 🧠😵‍💫

SnotFlickerman ,
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General Jack D. Ripper : Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk… ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children’s ice cream.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : [very nervous] Lord, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper : You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : I… no, no. I don’t, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper : Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It’s incredibly obvious, isn’t it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works.


Welp. Truth is stranger than fiction, they say.

MelodiousFunk ,

I’ve been meaning to re-watch this for years. Brilliant movie.

dhork ,

A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works.

– Gen. Jack D. Ripper

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Damn, beat me by about a minute!

paddirn ,

Next thing they’re gonna say is drinking too much water can kill you… /s

DirigibleProtein ,

Um, but it can!?

Bbbbbbbbbbb ,

I dont think this report actually means anything, IQ isnt a real test of intelligence.

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