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Grandwolf319 ,

Them politicians are soo out of touch

Reads headline again

Wait, what the hell? Really? Should I start being optimistic again?

AbsoluteChicagoDog , (edited )

Kamala might actually make some progress on the symptoms of capitalism, but she’ll never stop the root cause. Best case scenario is things are less bad for 4 or 8 years than they could be.

We need a socialist president, not a liberal.

Grandwolf319 ,

No probably not. But let’s at Bernie was president.

He would work in the confides of capitalism but there is another win:

A progress president would open the conversation to move further towards socialism.

Americans first need to stop fearing socialism, and imo Kamala might help a little with that. I’m not holding my breath though

AbsoluteChicagoDog ,

Exactly my point. We might have “conversations” for a few years, then we’ll go right back towards moving to the right. Just like what happened with Obama. Just like what happened with Clinton.

nomous ,

Nobody said it would be easy, it’s taken the right wing almost 7 decades to forge their alliance with Christian fundamentalists. I don’t expect The Left to be able to enact massive change in any less time if they’re even able to mobilize.

Even a best case scenario of 8 years of Harris and then 8 years of Walz could only be the beginning of unfucking what The Heritage Foundation and Reaganomics and trickle-down lies have done over the last half century.

lolcatnip ,

We need a socialist president, not a liberal.

Ok, but it’s not gonna happen.

StupidBrotherInLaw ,

Ok, but it’s not gonna happen.

Certainly not with that attitude.

lolcatnip ,

The way you change things is to start at the bottom. If it were even possible to get a socialist president, they’re be incredibly unpopular, and they’d have a very hard time working with Congress. We need to be playing the long game like conservatives did, building up from local office like school boards.

StupidBrotherInLaw ,

I’m sorry, I agree 100%. I forgot my /s.

MutilationWave ,

So the people of the UK had to have universal healthcare rammed down their throats. I don’t remember the stats but it was extremely unpopular. Turns out they loved it. Now if someone campaigned on privatizing the NHS they’d be laughed out of the room.

andrewth09 ,

Baby steps. If things are less bad for 4 or 8 years, progressive policies become more palatable for people. This gets you closer to your ideal state.

AbsoluteChicagoDog ,

Obama didn’t get us closer, we’re further now than before he was elected

ShepherdPie ,

The day a neoliberal actually follows through on their working class election promises is the day that pigs fly. They just tell us this stuff because they know it’s what we want to hear and will get them elected. After the election, ‘priorities’ always change and they’ll suddenly be telling us why they absolutely have to give a bailout to some company like Comcast because it’s best for America. I have a bit more optimism from someone like her than Biden, but I have no faith in the party or it’s leadership.

Laborer3652 ,

So historically lip service to progressivism has always been democrats go to play. But I feel like it could be different this time. Kamala chose a running mate who has a history of actually passing progressive agenda items, and he’s relatable to boot.

Maybe they will do the democrat thing, maybe they won’t.

Ensign_Crab ,

So historically lip service to progressivism has always been democrats go to play. But I feel like it could be different this time.

So historically, Lucy has always pulled the football away at the last second. But I feel like it could be different this time.

Socsa ,

Say the line Bart

Laborer3652 ,

Except Lucy has picked someone other than Charlie Brown to kick the ball, and Lucy has let Linus kick the ball in the past.

Ensign_Crab ,

Get your hopes up, then. Let me know how that turns out.

AbsoluteChicagoDog ,

Vance being a union guy is interesting to me. It just sucks that he’s so old it’s unlikely he’ll be able to be president next, I think after this election being over 70 will be a death sentence for a presidential campaign.

a9cx34udP4ZZ0 ,

Go back to mother Russia. Just off the top of my head with 30 seconds of thinking about it and no research:

Obama: Implemented “Obamacare” allowing millions of Americans with pre-existing conditions to get affordable healthcare for the first time.

Biden: Limits on predatory interest rates across the board. Limited Insulin prices.

Both of them have actively gone after people and businesses ripping of medicare which universally helps the working class through better care and lower taxes.

But sure, they’ve done NOTHING for the working class.

ShepherdPie ,

Give me a break. The ACA was a Republican drafted plan that did little more than cement the private insurance model in place. They allegedly went with this over single payer (like the rest of the planet) because they wanted to get Republicans on board and still zero Republicans voted for it and then they spent the next decade drafting bill after bill to repeal it. The only benefit that came out of that was the removal of the pre-existing clause and the ability to buy insurance off a marketplace when you didn’t have a job. Actual insurance/healthcare prices have continued to skyrocket year after year and plenty of people are still filing for bankruptcy due to medical costs. Per capita, we’re still paying the highest rates in the world and twice as much (in both public and private costs) when compared to the number two country for healthcare expenditures.

Limits on what predatory interest rates? You can go look at car loan rates for people with bad credit and they’re 20% or more currently. Payday loan places can still charge 400% APR.

Limits on insulin prices is great but what about the million other drugs on the market? The fact that pharma companies can make a miniscule change to some old drug and then re-patent it and jack the price up 4000% is the issue not the cost of insulin. This wouldn’t even be needed if we’d have gone single-payer 15 years ago. Treating the symptoms of the disease doesn’t change the fact that you still have the disease.

During that time they’ve also handed out billions to mega corporations rather than doing anything directly to help the struggling working class. It’s just more trickle-down bullshit.

MyOpinion ,

Exactly my pain points!

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Smack childcare on there and I think it covers what most all of working people need relief from.

Ensign_Crab ,

Gee, if only there was some proposed legislation the last time Democrats had a majority about childcare.

Oh yeah, the most recent rotating villain killed it.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You mean rather than tax cuts that are supposedly to benefit people too poor to pay taxes?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Among the plans from the Harris campaign is a federal ban on price-gouging in the industries. Most states currently have such bans in place.

O…kay.

Harris will single out meat prices, and in particular the meat-processing industry. Her first 100 days will also see support for small businesses, a “crack down on unfair mergers and acquisitions” among food corporations.

Bird flu and swine flu are two of the biggest pressure points on agricultural supply. Heat and drought are also doing horrible things to cattle stock. Will her support for small businesses address this? Guess we’ll have to tune in next week to find out.

Harris no longer supports measures from her short-lived 2020 presidential bid such as a fracking ban or Medicare for All, advisers told Reuters.

sigh

Her campaign said it wanted to avoid dividing voters and attracting attacks from business groups over granular details

mega-sigh

She will push plans to cut costs of rental housing and home ownership, including funding more affordable housing and building climate resistant communities.

Sounds nice. Wonder what the details will look like.

“She does have a focus on housing because we know and she knows very, very clearly that housing is a crisis in this country,” said Marcia Fudge, a Harris adviser and the former housing and urban development secretary under Biden.

glances at the housing market under Biden

Oof.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, yes. We all know that you folks have moved on from “don’t vote for Biden” to “don’t vote for Harris.”

This country really needs Project 2025, doesn’t it?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

don’t vote for Harris

I’m curious to know what Harris stands for and this article doesn’t seem to offer much.

This country really needs Project 2025, doesn’t it?

Project 2025 seems bad and I wouldn’t suggest voting for a guy like Vance or Trump, given his support of it. But Harris’s response appears to be to just not talk about policy and campaign without upsetting anybody.

FlyingSquid ,
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Who do you think wins if people don’t vote for Harris?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

American elections aren’t decided by the popular vote, so its anyone’s guess.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They are decided by the per-state popular vote, as I am sure you know.

Who wins when not enough people per state vote for Harris?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

They are decided by the per-state popular vote

They’re decided by an electoral college selected by the party. We’ve seen state governments assert the right of the state legislature to usurp the popular vote by citing Rehnquist’s decision in Bush v Gore. And while you’d like to think this remains a decision in popular hands, Idk how current composition of the SCOTUS will respond if presented with an opportunity to overturn another general election victory by the Democrats.

Who wins when not enough people per state vote for Harris?

In theory, its the Big Scary Cheeto (or, assuming another Demolition Ranch subscriber gets within 400 feet of the former Prez, JD “Couchfucker” Vance).

But if all you care about is Not-Trump, why are you in a thread talking about Harris’s policy? Why take offense at anyone asking? You know who you’re voting for, regardless of what she says, so why are you in here pretending that you care?

FlyingSquid ,
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I am not pretending that I care that people don’t vote for Harris.

I fucking care because I don’t want a fucking genocidal dictator. Why don’t you care about that?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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I am not pretending that I care that people don’t vote for Harris.

Then you think you’d care about the nine people who will ultimately decide this election. You’d think that would lead to more calls of “Pack the Court”, “Fight illegal felony disenfranchisement laws”, and “Support universal mail-in voting”, rather than “Fuck you for asking what anyone supports”.

Instead, I’m seeing someone who is willing to waltz blindly into another Bush v Gore SCOTUS sponsored upset while screaming “Fascist!” at the Naderites.

Why don’t you care about that?

The difference between caring about this election and caring about democracy is in wanting your team to win this round and wanting general participation in democratic institutions after November.

FlyingSquid ,
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It’s not “my team.”

Again, I want to stop the genocidal dictator. Apparently you do not. Why?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Again, I want to stop the genocidal dictator.

Netanyahu is going to be President regardless of who wins the US Presidency in November.

FlyingSquid ,
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So the genocides of queer people and Latinos Trump is planning don’t matter. Why don’t they matter?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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They don’t seem to matter under Biden, when Abbott is doing them.

Does Harris indicate she’ll crack down on Abbott’s state goons or rein in the DHS officials that have sided with him? Or is she going to continue turning a blind eye?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I asked why they don’t matter to you.

Lying about Abbott committing a genocide of Latinos and queer people does not answer that question.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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    democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Securing Universal Health Care Through a Public Option

    That’s in the platform, but it appears it isn’t part of Harris’s platform because she’s afraid it might upset people in the private industry.

    captainlezbian ,

    And possibly because it’ll upset the victims of the private industry. MFA is the only solution to the American healthcare crisis. They’ve already sold off parts of Medicare. We need to kill the private health insurance industry or it will keep trying to get us back here

    Steve ,

    Who said not to vote for her?
    I didn’t read that anywhere in Weevil’s comment.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    What do you think their comment implies? What do you think their latest comment suggests?

    Steve ,

    That these policies are rather mid, and they would like to see better. That doesn’t imply anything about voting.

    You can support your favorite sports ball team, and still complain when they suck, wanting them to do better.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Virtually every comment they have made since then is about not voting for Harris.

    Steve ,

    I’ve read them all.
    They complain about policy more, explain the election system, and complain about Netenyahoo jerking us around. None of which suggests to not vote for Harris.

    In fact they clearly state that Trump is worse.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I think you are deliberately refusing to see something that pretty much everyone else here can see just because he isn’t literally saying “don’t vote for Harris.”

    But sure, maybe he’s saying not to vote at all. Which is basically the same thing.

    Steve , (edited )

    Close.
    I’m deliberately refusing to infer something that isn’t implied. I’m refusing to try to mind-read someone I don’t know. I’m deliberately accepting their statements at face value, because I don’t know them.

    It’s how I would hope people read what I write.
    And how I believe we can have more productive interactions online.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Well I do know them. I’ve seen them post here for a long time. I’ve also seen them switch almost immediately from “don’t vote for Biden” to “don’t vote for Harris.”

    Steve ,

    If what you’ve argued about their statements today, is indicative of your interpretation of their statements then… I hope you’ll understand and forgive my doubts.

    jorp ,

    As a leftist I was critical of Biden and continued to be critical of Harris, despite hating Trump even moreso.

    It’s not suspicious, it’s consistent based on our ideology.

    As I’ve said elsewhere I’m an expat not a resident, so I mostly vote here in Canada, and I don’t really like any of my 3 main options right now. I’ll strategically vote to keep the Conservatives out, but that doesn’t mean I like the Liberals and I’m comfortable criticising Trudeau.

    jorp ,

    As someone who is terminally on Lemmy you should do more to build a better culture of charitable interpretation of what people are saying instead of trying to fucking gestapo-up alleged Trump supporters and silence any criticism of your preferred candidate.

    It’s toxic shit

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe you should look at their post history and see if that “charitable interpretation” is justified.

    jorp ,

    To me it seems like they’re criticising her from the left and that’s valid criticism. I didn’t run a background check on them so maybe they aren’t. Maybe they won’t even vote.

    I’m not going to bully them until they leave, though.

    This community is extremely toxic. It’s no different than the politics subreddit.

    Keep punching left, guys. That’ll work.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not going to bully them until they leave either. I don’t even have that power. I’m not sure why you’re granting me abilities I don’t have.

    jorp ,

    Ok fair you’re not the worst of them but you’re contributing to the toxicity at least somewhat. There’re worse examples actively harassing me and I took some of that out on you.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    No, Democrats are perfect and anyone who doesn’t love their constant failures at everything but funding genocide must be literally Trump.

    jorp ,

    Careful! If any Democrat sees your snarky comment it’ll cause them not to vote or vote for Trump instead.

    We need a criticism non-proliferation treaty before it’s too late to contain this dangerous power.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    But only criticism from the left. Without criticism from the right, Democrats won’t know which principles they need to stop pretending to hold.

    skuzz ,

    You gotta realize, America isn’t a new iPhone release with chamfered edges. We’re trying to save America from Fascism. That the campaign is also doing things on top of that is just great. They’ve already probably accomplished much more in the last 4 years than you realized, not even counting the fact that they had to undo the clusterfuck that DonOld the Orange Bloat left behind where departments had no people, no records, nothing.

    Example of what you should expect in the future based on the last 4 years (as summarized by ChatGPT):

    Biden-Harris Administration Accomplishments (2020-2024)

    Summary of Key Accomplishments

    • Economic Recovery and Job Creation:

      • Created over 12 million jobs, including 6.6 million in the first year—more than any other president in U.S. history.
      • Passed the American Rescue Plan, providing direct relief to Americans and supporting economic recovery post-pandemic.
      • Achieved record investments in U.S. manufacturing through the CHIPS and Science Act, fostering innovation and reducing dependence on foreign semiconductors.
      • Implemented the Inflation Reduction Act, the largest investment in clean energy and climate action in U.S. history.

    • Healthcare and Social Policies:

      • Expanded healthcare access and reduced premiums under the Affordable Care Act, saving Americans $800 per year on average.
      • Passed the PACT Act to address health impacts on veterans exposed to toxins.
      • Provided historic student debt relief, including forgiveness of up to $20,000 for Pell Grant recipients.

    • Infrastructure and Environmental Initiatives:

      • Passed the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, allocating $1.2 trillion to improve roads, bridges, public transit, and broadband across the country.
      • Committed to ambitious climate goals, aiming for a 50-52% reduction in U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 2030.

    • Social Justice and Civil Rights:

      • Protected marriage equality for LGBTQI+ and interracial couples through bipartisan legislation.
      • Reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act and implemented measures to reduce police violence, including banning chokeholds and no-knock warrants at the federal level.
      • Successfully nominated and confirmed Ketanji Brown Jackson, the first Black woman to serve on the U.S. Supreme Court.

    • Foreign Policy and National Security:

      • Rallied international support for Ukraine in response to Russia’s invasion, strengthening NATO and facilitating the addition of Finland and Sweden to the alliance.
      • Led successful counterterrorism operations, eliminating key leaders of ISIS and Al Qaeda without committing large numbers of U.S. ground troops.

    • Economic and Trade Policies:

      • Navigated the U.S. economy through high inflation and interest rate challenges, maintaining economic growth with a 2.5% GDP increase in 2023.
      • Introduced a new approach to globalization, balancing trade with industrial policies to boost U.S. manufacturing and secure jobs.

    Departmental and Agency Accomplishments

    Department of Transportation (DOT)

    • Safety Regulations: Implemented several final rules to improve transportation safety, including:
      • Requiring railroads to provide real-time information to emergency personnel about hazardous material shipments.
      • Introducing rules to enhance rail safety by mandating adequate training and certification for train dispatchers and signal employees.
      • Mandating automatic emergency braking systems in passenger cars and light trucks to reduce accidents.
    • Consumer Protections: Expanded airline passenger rights, requiring airlines to provide automatic cash refunds for canceled or significantly changed flights, and imposed penalties on airlines for consumer protection violations.
    • Infrastructure Investments: Funded nearly 3,000 low- and zero-emission transit buses and over 5,000 clean school buses as part of efforts to modernize the transportation system.

    Federal Communications Commission (FCC)

    • Broadband Expansion: Expanded broadband access across the U.S., focusing on underserved and rural areas.
    • Combatting Robocalls: Intensified efforts to crack down on illegal robocalls, implementing stricter rules and encouraging carriers to adopt call authentication technology.
    • Net Neutrality and Digital Equity: Worked on restoring net neutrality protections and advancing digital equity initiatives.

    Federal Trade Commission (FTC)

    • Consumer Protection: Focused on protecting consumers from deceptive practices, particularly in online marketplaces and digital platforms.
    • Antitrust Enforcement: Increased antitrust efforts, particularly in the tech industry, to challenge mergers and practices that could harm competition.
    • Subscription Services: Launched initiatives to make it easier for consumers to unsubscribe from unwanted memberships and recurring payments.

    Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

    • Combatting PFAS Pollution: Launched a comprehensive PFAS Roadmap to research, restrict, and remediate harmful PFAS chemicals in the environment.
    • Climate Action: Took significant steps to reduce methane emissions through the Super Emitter Program, which monitors large methane leaks and requires operators to address them.

    Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB)

    • Consumer Relief: Enforcement actions since 2021 resulted in approximately $19 billion in relief for consumers, impacting around 195 million people.
    • Fair Lending Practices: Referred a record number of fair lending matters to the Department of Justice for enforcement.

    National Labor Relations Board (NLRB)

    • Worker Protections: Actively protected workers’ rights, including reversing Trump-era policies that limited workers’ ability to organize and collectively bargain.

    Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC)

    • Financial Stability: Strengthened regulations to ensure financial stability and consumer protection, including stricter oversight of financial institutions.

    Department of Energy (DOE)

    • Infrastructure Investments: Key player in modernizing U.S. energy infrastructure, including investments in clean energy technologies and grid modernization.
    • Carbon Capture and Storage: Advanced carbon capture and storage technologies through initiatives like the Carbon Negative Shot.
    • Energy Equity: Emphasized ensuring that the benefits of clean energy reach underserved communities.

    Department of Education

    • Student Debt Forgiveness: Implemented historic student debt relief, including cancellation of up to $20,000 in federal student loans for Pell Grant recipients.
    • Public Service Loan Forgiveness: Overhauled the PSLF program to make it easier for borrowers to qualify for loan forgiveness.
    • Pandemic Response: Directed significant funding from the American Rescue Plan to help schools reopen safely and address learning loss.
    • Equity in Education: Increased funding for schools serving low-income students and strengthened enforcement of civil rights laws in schools.
    Steve ,

    Upvote for effort alone.

    But you gotta realize, I didn’t mention Biden’s accomplishments. It’s all arguing against something I wasn’t even talking about. So as great as your comment is, it’s kinda misplaced.

    skuzz ,

    You’re choosing a team. Not a person.

    Steve ,

    I’m choosing a person, hoping they build (inherit) a good team.

    Ensign_Crab , (edited )

    Copypasta takes no effort at all.

    Fedizen ,

    I think its more like when you see somebody step on a rake and it hits them in the face. The natural response is to be like “oh no” . Fortunately these are second hand sources and Walz is hopefully on hand to check some of the more lawyer tendencies when dealing with the public.

    Chespirito ,

    You didn’t say how any of her plans are going to be bad for America. Why don’t you go to the points you highlife and tell us how they’re going to hurt Americans. Show us you really understand the things you don’t like.

    jorp ,

    Fracking is contributing to climate change and can harm local environments.

    Medicare for all is a popular progressive universal health care solution.

    In an ideal world her positions on these would at best be the platform of the right wing candidate.

    In our world the “left” candidate continues to be right of global center

    Chespirito ,

    You’re against fracking but don’t like it when a candidate is for less fracking?

    What’s wrong g with universal health care? If the military has it why can’t civilians?

    jorp ,

    The article is saying she no longer supports a fracking BAN and no longer supports Medicare for all, i.e. she has shifted her views right.

    Chespirito ,

    The article says it, has Harris said she isn’t going to do anything about fracking?

    And just because she changed some of her views to win battle ground states means you don’t support her anymore and are going to vote for Trump? No candidate is perfect. It she’s so much better than Trump

    jorp ,

    wow dude chill out, we don’t have to blindly and ignorantly worship Harris to prove we’re not Trump supporters.

    This is blue MAGA shit. Fuck off with that

    Chespirito ,

    Oh shut up lmao. I’m voting for the best candidate. I’m not sorry I don’t support a convicted felon. Harris isn’t perfect but she’s so much better than Trump.

    You can pick any president in history and nit-pick their policies. What you’re doing is making it seem like she’s a worse option than a convicted felon. And just because I support her doesn’t mean that I’m blindly following her. Stop projecting.

    jorp , (edited )

    you’re squashing any criticism and accusing people of being Trump supporters for wishing she was more progressive.

    That’s silencing progressive voices (like mine)

    All either of us said was we hope she doesn’t allow fracking

    Chespirito ,

    You’re free to criticize anyone you want. I’m criticizing Trump. I’m telling you she isn’t perfect. I’m telling you that I’m booting for the best candidate. Tell me, how am I silencing progressive voices when I am saying she isn’t perfect?

    But why don’t you go and tell us who you plan on voting for?

    jorp ,

    I’m an American expat that hasn’t lived there since I was a baby but if I can figure out how to vote it’ll be for Harris.

    You’re silencing voices with your reaction, we can share in our disappointment that she apparently no longer supports Medicare for All and we can share in our disappointment that she apparently softened her climate strategy without accusing each other of being saboteurs and doing the equivalent of asking to see my papers to prove I’m not a Trump supporter.

    It’s rabid, psychotic behavior.

    Chespirito ,

    I asked the person I responded to originally to tell us why he doesn’t like the policies he pointed out. YOU responded with a basic answer instead. You didn’t Say how her policies were going to hurt America.

    What’s rabid, psychotic behavior is downplaying Harris to help Trump. You’re acting like no política has ever changed their opinion on a topic. Harris is doing what she needs to do to win those battle states. I understand that no presidential candidate is going to align with all of my political views but I’m on with that. Especially when they’re going up against Trump.

    jorp ,

    If the slightest honest criticism causes her to lose America deserves Trump.

    Chespirito ,

    Lmao you’re a clown. You’re acting like you’re being persecuted. I told you multiple times Harris is not perfect. Do you want me to call her a bitch like Trump does? Do you want me to call her dumb like Trump does? Tell me how to properly criticize her because apparently if I don’t criticize her exactly like you do than that means I am a Harris dick rider.

    But why don’t you use this space to properly criticize her policies. Don’t just go and say “fracking bad”. Tell us how their policies are going to hurt America and the American people. Name her policies and how exactly they are bad policies.

    jorp ,

    Now I know this place is the politics subreddit, just a liberal feeding frenzy.

    I don’t want to engage with your throbbing hate boner, sorry.

    I’m not going to jump when you say jump. As a leftist I think Democrats are better than Republicans but they’re both pretty shit. Not sorry.

    Chespirito ,

    Yea you don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t believe you’re a Harris voter at all. And that’s fine, vote for who ever you want.

    I gave you the opportunity to discuss your issues with her policies and you refuse. It seems you’re only interested in talking when you get to spew simple statements, when pushed for details you just run away. That just proves you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    jorp ,

    The secret police caught me!

    I don’t care what you believe. Your attitude is toxic as fuck dude. This is a cesspool of a thread. Be better.

    Chespirito ,

    You think I care about your opinion? You dont have the balls to stand for what you believe in. Someone gives you the platform to discuss what bothers you about a candidate and you run away instantly. That’s prettt cowardly in my book.

    jorp ,

    Dude you’re going to get hemorrhoids relax your fucking ass.

    Holy shit.

    Here: fuck you, go away.

    Chespirito ,

    Yea you’re a weird guy. You come into my conversation with someone else and you get mad when I ask you for further details on the policies you don’t like.

    You don’t have integrity. Your parents must be so proud of the person you have become

    jorp ,

    You dishonor your family. This is normal conversation. I’m not a fucking rabid weirdo.

    Chespirito ,

    Nah you’re definitely a weirdo. You butt in to other peoples conversation and then you get mad when people ask you to clarify your statement. You’re just a weird guy. I bet you hear that a lot too.

    jorp ,

    He hit me with the Democrat forced meme. Since I’m a Republican in disguise, I’m withering away oh nooo. Now I won’t every reply to this guy agaiiiiiiinnn

    Chespirito ,

    But you’re not weird right?

    fine_sandy_bottom ,

    She needs to steal votes from trump.

    If she doesn’t she won’t be pres.

    The best way to woo voters from the right is to avoid being too far left.

    Fedizen ,

    Isnt this how hillary clinton lost? appealing too much to nobody in particular?

    The center is small and fickle in the US. Imo its less they’re turned off by leftist policies (people forget red florida passed higher min wages by initiative) and more they’re turned off by democrats who drag their feet or complicate things unneccessarily or who balk when their corporate donors tighten the leash.

    The way to campaign in the US is to distance yourself from parties while sticking to popular policies.

    fine_sandy_bottom ,

    No she lost because everyone thought there v was no way trump could win, so they didn’t bother to vote.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Isnt this how hillary clinton lost? appealing too much to nobody in particular?

    Yes, but the alternative involves not sprinting to the right in order to peel off exactly zero votes from the Republican party.

    killingspark ,

    Yeah that “will single out meat prices” got my eyes rolling so hard I might have a knot in my nerves now.

    Meat production is one of the main contributors to the climate crisis. We need to produce less of it. I get that campaigning with that message would probably not be popular, but just focussing on groceries would have been enough right?

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
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    It’s also just one of those things where people will never be happy. Unless you can get a prime cut porterhouse for a nickel, you’re going to have the ahem meat heads screaming that you’ve failed them. Would love to buy a head of lettuce for under $3, though. Or a bag of onions. We used to practically give away corn and now it’s two ears for $1.

    So much basic foodstuff has skyrocketed in price, well before you get to the pork chops and chilean seabass.

    ThunderWhiskers ,
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    Bird flu and swine flu are two of the biggest pressure points on agricultural supply. Heat and drought are also doing horrible things to cattle stock. Will her support for small businesses address this?

    Are we pretending that the American meat industry is small business now?

    As for housing, the ONLY answer is to remove corporate ownership of single-family dwellings.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Are we pretending that the American meat industry is small business now?

    This isn’t a “small business” problem. Firms like Tyson and Smithfield can suffer hundreds of millions in loses in the event of a livestock flu outbreak. Their mega-farms and super-sized slaughterhouses are rife with disease, which is why their animals have to be pumped full of antibiotics and antivirals practically from birth. And that’s before you get into the risk of their ag workers getting infected by a mutant strain and turning the disease into a global pandemic. The so-called Spanish Flu got started on a pig farm just outside a Kansas City military base, before spreading to the front lines in Europe during America’s late entry into WW1.

    That’s the kind of enormous tail risks the meat industry is juggling right now. And its a major driver behind inflating pork, chicken, and egg prices.

    As for housing, the ONLY answer is to remove corporate ownership of single-family dwellings.

    No way Harris does anything even resembling this. The Real Estate Industry would revolt en mass.

    Eggyhead ,

    I was literally talking about housing costs with my wife on our walk back from the grocery store not 30m before stumbling across this post.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    And totally ignoring Healthcare!?

    EmpathicVagrant ,

    Said they were on a walk, no other health activities are so adorable!

    Tja ,

    Or affordable.

    EmpathicVagrant ,

    Ahahah whoops

    Eggyhead ,

    That discussion comes up whenever we talk about having kids.

    some_guy ,

    First article I’ve seen where her photo wasn’t a big smile. At least since Biden dropped out.

    BobGnarley ,

    I mean isn’t she the vice president? Why can’t she do that shit now?

    Aermis ,

    Because she’s the vice president. What powers does she have other than influence?

    mipadaitu ,

    www.archives.gov/…/constitution-transcript

    ImADifferentBird ,
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    You do know the Vice President has little actual power, right? Pretty much the only power they can exercise on their own behalf (rather than being delegated by the president) is the tiebreaking vote in the Senate.

    MediaBiasFactChecker Bot ,

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    badbytes ,

    Doesn’t need plan for future. Can fix now. Like today.

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