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expatriado ,

Help me, Obi-Wan Kamala, you’re my only hope.

Lemminary , (edited )

Alright, alright, Americans need to calm down with the “our only X” trope. Biden was “the only X” for the country and look at him now. There plenty of alternatives out there.

Edited to clarify meaning beyond the shadow of a doubt because Lemmings are the most special beings on this planet, Jesus H. Christ.

barsquid ,

This guy?

Lemminary ,

?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

What are you talking about? These groups literally didn’t back Biden.

Lemminary , (edited )

You don’t need to assume that I’m talking about some group. I’m saying that, in general, Americans need to get it out of their heads that there is only one savior like you see in the movies.

FlexibleToast ,

You’re both right.

grue ,

There is only one viable candidate running against Trump: the Democratic nominee. That was going to be Biden and now it’s going to be Harris, but it’s still only one person [at a time].

Lemminary ,

Sure, knock yourselves out with your self-fulfilling prophecies. Even after you were shown that you can absolutely change things around for the better, you still cling to those ideas.

grue ,

It’s a consequence of first-past-the-post voting, not a “prophecy.” It will not change, ever until after the voting system does. Learn some goddamn game theory!

Lemminary ,

I’m not talking about literal prophecies, ffs. And yet here you are, perpetuating exactly what I’m criticizing. Change that chip, change that mindset. Change happens within you first.

Learn some goddamn game theory!

How about you learn some manners first?

grue ,

The bottom line is that a third-party has absolutely zero chance of winning the 2024 US Presidential election, and any assertion otherwise is at best utterly delusional, and at worst, a pro-fascist disinformation tactic.

The time for changing the system so it’s possible for third-party candidates to win is not during the election, for fuck’s sake!

How about you learn some manners first?

You’re resorting to tone arguments because you know you lost.

Lemminary ,

And yet I’m not talking about third party candidates or what the DNC is doing. You’re going there because you think that’s what I’m talking about because it’s low-hanging fruit. You’re literally having an entirely different conversation and strutting around like you won something because I’m telling you to stop being condescending.

You’re resorting to tone arguments because you know you lost.

And here is even more condescension. I don’t need this type of shit. You either talk like an adult and have respect or we’re not talking. But go ahead, take another victory lap because you want some easy win for an argument we’re not having that you’ve set up for yourself in a parallel universe. Congrats. You’re such a good debater holy shit.

grue ,

There are only three possibilities for what you could be talking about:

  1. Third-party candidates (not viable)
  2. The Democrats picking somebody other than Biden Harris (not likely this late in the game, especially a second time)
  3. Something entirely irrelevant to the election at hand.

You say you’re taking about #3, which already isn’t great due to the whole “being irrelevant” thing, but what’s worse is that you’re bringing it up as if it’s a rebuttal to the “our only choice” people when the “our only choice” people are clearly talking about #1 or #2!

Lemminary ,

Thank you for changing gears, I really appreciate that. Now let me explain myself because you’re still in debate mode.

Yes, my point is somewhat #3 in that I didn’t present an actionable plan for change, but a meta criticism on the trends I see on the media that get repeated down in the comments. Even the same ridiculous language is borrowed from the news. From a foreigner’s POV, you guys are obsessed with finding the chosen one to solve all your problems and you cling to that idea quite a bit. Maybe it’s your rigid political system that causes this, maybe it’s the Hollywood effect, or maybe it’s a cultural thing with the news, idk. But it’s jarring to hear you pigeonhole yourselves as if there’s nothing to be done about anything. That reminds me so much of individuals I know who think voting is futile, but at the level of party politics.

So yeah, call it irrelevant for this election if you want, but I hope you mull over it for every election you have in the future. It’s just weird* that this is the attitude that comes from the land of the grassroots movements, the home of those urging you to call your local reps for change, and the origin of the capable Karens forever asking to speak to the manager. It doesn’t seem to register that bigger change can and does happen even after witnessing it live. Only now Kamala is the ultimate and irreplaceable savior because of an agreement among all of you. Fucking hell, what a political attitude. Imagine if falling in line wasn’t the norm and the calls for Biden to step aside had been louder from the start.

  • Thank you Kamala. But maybe it’s not just the Republicans that are a tad bit strange.
grue ,

From a foreigner’s POV, you guys are obsessed with finding the chosen one to solve all your problems and you cling to that idea quite a bit. Maybe it’s your rigid political system that causes this, maybe it’s the Hollywood effect, or maybe it’s a cultural thing with the news, idk. But it’s jarring to hear you pigeonhole yourselves as if there’s nothing to be done about anything. That reminds me so much of individuals I know who think voting is futile, but at the level of party politics.

It’s because of the context that we’re down to the wire* in an election in which we’re fighting to even continue to have meaningful elections in the future. Inappropriately bringing up issues that distract from that smells like bad-faith propaganda even when it’s not.

  • By US “campaign for damn near a year” standards, not EU “declare and hold an election within days or weeks” standards
Blackbeard ,
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Thanks Common Dreams for the shitty, ragebait headline. The text of the endorsements is just a tad bit less myopic:

“Vice President Harris is a visible leader in the Biden-Harris administration’s successful work to address environmental injustice, tackle the climate crisis, hold polluters accountable, reduce water pollution, and ensure clean drinking water for all,” said Clean Water Action president and CEO Jeff Carter, emphasizing that her actions “have made a real difference in people’s lives.”

Jeff Ordower of 350 Action highlighted that in addition to being “part of the administration that invested in renewable energy through the historic Inflation Reduction Act,” Harris “has a history of taking on Big Oil and advocating for environmental justice.”

“As a global climate movement, we know Harris represents not just the ability to make progress in the U.S., but globally as well,” he added. “For those… who care about democracy, climate, and decreased corporate capture of our government, Kamala Harris is our only choice.”

“Kamala Harris’ record provides a stark contrast with Donald Trump and the far-right, pro-polluter Project 2025,” said Wenonah Hauter, founder and executive director of Food and Water Action. “Of course, much more needs to be done, and Harris’ positions do not yet go far enough to tackle the existential threats to our food, water, and climate.” “But with a President Harris, we will have a chance to build the political power to move the bold climate initiatives we need,”

“Friends of the Earth Action is excited to endorse Kamala Harris for president of the United States,” the group’s president, Erich Pica said Wednesday. “We are not going back to an era dominated by fossil fuel interests, corporate greed, and disenfranchisement. Instead, we’re looking forward to building a healthy and just future with Vice President Harris.”

“We’re breaking our usual rule of not endorsing in presidential elections, given our strong history with Kamala Harris (we endorsed her in her 2016 Senate race), her track record in taking on Big Oil and holding polluters accountable, and the extraordinary moment of this election,” explained RL Miller, the group’s president. “We are climate hawks who vote, and we’ll be flocking together for Kamala Harris.”

“What the Green New Deal really is, is understanding that everything’s connected,” the network’s national director, Kaniela Ing, toldInside Climate News. “Making sure our tax dollars aren’t just going to kill children abroad, but to build schools and hospitals here at home… Local control of resources, self-determination of our communities. That’s the vision Kamala Harris, given her background—being bused to schools, really being a product of a lot of our social programs—really understands.”

How they managed to choose the three words that sounded most like something Eeyore would say is absolutely beyond me.

broton33 ,

I wonder if titles (like thumbnails on YouTube) are ai generated or machine selected/biased in some way due to a promp or filter for “most exaggeratory” or something 😂

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