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marine_mustang ,

Why is everyone acting as if she’s an heir or something? All delegates to the convention have already been elected. If Biden steps down, they can vote for whoever, and Dem party rules state that the superdelegates can’t jump in until the 2nd vote if no one wins the first.

Peppycito ,

I heard somewhere that all the money raised for the Biden/Harris campaign would stay with Harris if she ran for president.

I don’t know if that’s true, or what would happen to the money if they both drop out but I heard someone say that.

SirDerpy ,

This is absolutely not true. The DNC can do whatever the fuck they want with presidential campaign money. It’s a donation to a private organization. There’s no contract unless a big donor insists.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

It’s been kind of maddening, seeing the discourse about her electability go from zero to hero. US politics makes no sense outside of corporate and wealthy circles. She is way more electable than Biden.

VanillaBean ,

I remember when Rolling Stone was a magazine only for music haha

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So before it was a magazine? Because this is issue 1 and there’s a reason there’s a photo of John Lennon dressed as a soldier in an anti-war film on the front page of its inaugural issue in 1967.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a41990f3-23ff-414d-8433-edf30ab7ed8f.png

VanillaBean ,

Still, it was music/musician focused.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And it is now.

Here’s the front page of their website.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/94f3841f-8c9e-4e2d-aff6-ca45559ef7ad.png

macarthur_park ,

NYTimes reporting the call wasn’t anything exciting.

Vice President Kamala Harris tried to buck up the Democratic Party’s biggest donors on Friday, telling about 300 of them that there was little to worry about in President Biden’s campaign.

Ms. Harris spoke to the group at a time of extraordinary turmoil among Democrats, with many hoping that she will replace Mr. Biden as the party’s nominee. But several listeners said they found the meeting overall to be of little value and even, at times, condescending, believing that the message ignored donors’ legitimate concerns about the Biden-led ticket.

Ms. Harris, of course, is in a delicate position: She must demonstrate loyalty to her boss but also be prepared to jump immediately to the top of the Democratic ticket if Mr. Biden were to withdraw.

sunzu ,

I wonder if we would get this headline if the coup failed...

Zero respect

aseriesoftubes ,

Arthur fistHillary Clinton rn

Phenomephrene ,
@Phenomephrene@thebrainbin.org avatar

Oh, to be a fly on that wall. I'm sure I'd love it.

bostonbananarama ,

They both need to step aside, it’s better to have an unknown than a known candidate that people don’t like.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Can you show an election where that strategy has worked this late in the game?

polonius-rex ,

can you show an election where somebody in the polling position of biden has come back to win it?

non-us election cycles are shorter than the time that's left i don't think it's an impossible hurdle

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t have to show evidence for a claim I did not make.

You, however, made this claim: it’s better to have an unknown than a known candidate that people don’t like.

Can you back it up with evidence or not?

polonius-rex ,

i think it's weird that you think you're allowed to infer claims from my position but that i'm not allowed to infer claims from yours

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t infer anything. You made a direct claim that you aren’t backing up. I quoted it. I have made no claims.

polonius-rex ,

you didn't quote anything?

please could you quote the exact words you believe i used to express "it’s better to have an unknown than a known candidate that people don’t like."?

thank you

ysjet ,

Fuck off, sea lion.

polonius-rex ,

i feel like i'm taking crazy pills

somebody tells me they've quoted my words, and they haven't, and i ask them to clarify, and i'm sealioning?

no, they're just full of shit

what are you talking about?

Late2TheParty ,
@Late2TheParty@lemmy.world avatar

I think there may be some confusion on Flying Squid’s part about who they’re questioning. I believe (and hopefully, I’m reading this correctly) Flying Squid is looking for clarification from Bostonbananarama and you just happened to chime in with a related point? This Crowdstrike B.S. got e’erybody fucked up on no-change Friday.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

that was the original statement Flying Squid was replying to before you joined in the thread, Squid just didn’t seem to notice that you’re not the same commenter.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

the commenter you’re replying to now isn’t the one who made that claim, and for some reason they aren’t speaking up to clarify that about themselves.

Peppycito ,

Maybe they flushed and went back to work. Or sleep. Or are back country camping.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

flushed and went back to work.

😅

bostonbananarama ,

Sorry for having other things going on, it won’t happen again.

FlowVoid ,

can you show an election

2016

xmunk ,

Yea, pretty much every election up here in Canada.

I’m amazed that Americans think four months “is like literally no time”.

It’d take an ad spend but the DNC could name recognition pretty much anyone at this point.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t elect a chief executive in Canada the way we do in the U.S.

You can’t compare a parliamentary election to our constitutional presidential republic’s elections.

Peppycito ,

The elections are short, but we’ve known the candidates a long time. De Dluca was elected leader shortly before the election and no one knew who he was and he totally tanked.

bostonbananarama ,

Can you show an election where that strategy has worked this late in the game?

To my knowledge the President and vice President haven’t stepped down from a political campaign. However, I can point to a situation in which a vice president took over for an unpopular president and lost. That would be Hubert Humphrey in 1968.

Additionally, just based on logic alone, it is ridiculous to insinuate that it wouldn’t be better to have an unknown candidate than a disliked candidate.

How could it be better to have a candidate that voters do not like, over a candidate that they haven’t come to an opinion on yet?

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Its not, last time we did this Reagan won by a fucking landslide. I am very nervous but voting D.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I think Biden has a better chance than her, and if he’s voted in she’s the back up anyways.

Gullible ,

As far as backups go, she’s far from the worst. On that note, what would America do if Biden were re-elected and simply stepped down immediately? Would America lament the second term that never was or would they simply say “oh, weird. Whatever.” Or would they celebrate fresher blood finally finding its way into the mix? I know republicans would attempt to block and/or complain about everything, but the reasonables- how would they react?

partial_accumen ,

On that note, what would America do if Biden were re-elected and simply stepped down immediately?

I know republicans would attempt to block and/or complain about everything, but the reasonables- how would they react?

Assuming the Republicans still hold the House, they would ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS!

Sure, President Harris would still be a Democrat and control the Executive branch, but her new VP would be voted in by the House of Representatives. They’d try to put Trump in as VP. Having Trump (even as the junior in the Executive Branch) would give him access and power to spoil President Harris’s agenda.

“Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.” - source is The Constitution of the United States specifically the 25th Amendment

Alternatively, again assuming Republicans keep the house, they could make Trump the Speaker of the House.

“The Constitution does not explicitly require the speaker to be an incumbent member of the House of Representatives, although every speaker thus far has been, and as a member the speaker also represents their district and retains the right to vote.” source

I hate these two possible scenarios of VP or Speaker.

On that note, what would America do if Biden were re-elected and simply stepped down immediately?

xmunk ,

I think a Trump VP is inconceivable - if it came down to that Harris would likely just continuously nominate random democrats and leave the position vacant.

Zaktor ,

At which point political assassination becomes a real concern as the next in line is Mike Johnson.

FlowVoid ,

Realistically, if Biden were re-elected then Democrats would almost certainly win the handful of seats needed to control the House.

grrgyle ,

It’s so wild to me that one of your two political parties is actively trying to dismantle your democracy and everyone continues on as if it’s normal.

DmMacniel ,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

I wish her a good run and become the first female president of the USA.

yeather ,

Gods I cannot wait for her to lose, she’s a POS through and through, Dems need a better candidate.

DmMacniel ,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

why would you hope that? (not a US resident)

SirDerpy ,

She began on a progressive platform with a side of identity politics. She sold out her progressive platform during the campaign to position herself for, then secure the VP nomination.

But, we don’t need specifics to be certain any given US federal politician is absolute trash. They’re all elected on corporate money.

yeather ,

Ideologically, she’s a corporate shill that incarcerated thousands of people for minor posessions and then claimed to be against such policies while never offering any amnesty or apology. Politically I have major disagreeances with both parties platforms. Socially, I think Harris leads to some Republican bullshit scheme.

Also, to everyone that keeps trying to gaslight America. EVERYONE HATES HARRIS, SHE WILL DRIVE AWAY ON THE FENCE VOTERS AND YOUNGER APATHETIC VOTERS.

expatriado ,

enlight me on the reasons for this conclusion, idk much about her

yeather ,

Ideologically, she’s a corporate shill that incarcerated thousands of people for minor posessions and then claimed to be against such policies while never offering any amnesty or apology. Politically I have major disagreeances with both parties platforms. Socially, I think Harris leads to some Republican bullshit scheme.

Also, to everyone that keeps trying to gaslight America. EVERYONE HATES HARRIS, SHE WILL DRIVE AWAY ON THE FENCE VOTERS AND YOUNGER APATHETIC VOTERS.

xmunk ,

I think she’s an awful choice tactically and have little hope for what her administration would do - but I’ll still vote for her if her name is on the ticket.

Steve ,

But until that day there is no reason not to argue for someone better.

xmunk ,

And in that we’re in absolute agreement!

Rolder ,

Her losing means Trump winning which would be about a million times worse

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