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WatDabney ,

I'm with him 100% on the first bit - at this point, the single most important thing the Dems have to do is stop bickering.

As for the rest, at this point I don't even much care. I can see arguments both for and against in both directions - either choice is going to involve some risk but either choice can be made to succeed.

So the important thing, and really the ONLY important thing, is to pick one and run with it. Stop with the dilly-dallying and the second-guessing and the bitching and moaning and hand-wringing and make a choice and stick with it, so we can focus ALL of our attention on pounding those fucking fascist traitors' dicks into the dirt.

iAmTheTot ,

Rare case of disagreeing with you, Bernie.

lennybird ,
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Yep. But let’s explore this further under the hood.

  • Nobody of the progressive caucus can break ranks lest that be used against the party as a wedge-drive issue by operatives later, whether Biden stays in or not.
  • Bernie was essentially promised a high level committee position if he traded falling in line with Biden. This his returning of the favor.
  • Calls for Biden to step down will be completely ineffective from the progressive coalition anyway. Biden is a centrist and doesn’t hold much respect for them. The people who matter are the likes of Clyburn and Pelosi.
shiroininja ,

I have an unpopular opinion. Swapping candidates a couple months from election will look really disorganized and even weaker than keeping him. Especially to swing voters. And it’ll be rushed. I doubt the replacement will be well known, so you expect me to get to know, learn who they are and develop a platform in a couple months? I think they’d lose too.

It’s too late. The spineless centrists controlling the party waffled too long and I bet they cost the election again. Just like in 2016. I’m really disappointed in the Democratic Party and how it’s condensed it’s power more towards the top and quite frankly, am tired of their muted response to things like project 2025 until months before the election. It’s been around since. Before trump was elected, but without a catchy name. I passed around the leaked documents on it in 2017.

I’m just reminded of ‘Baby I’m an Anarchist’ by Against me! Lately. I’m not an Anarchist, but I feel the lyrics about the my fellow spineless liberals

dhork ,

Swapping candidates would look really, really bad… unless he comes up and says “I had a talk with my doctor, he says I’ve developed a chronic condition that I didn’t know about past year. I can’t do it anymore, but here, vote for my VP, who you all already voted for once anyway, and would take over anyway if this thing kills me”.

He can leave out that the chronic condition is just notgonnawinatall, and his doctor is also his pollster.

catloaf ,

I think that’s why they’re floating it now. They’re getting people primed to accept someone as the replacement that they already recognize. (My money is on Kamala Harris.)

infinitevalence ,
@infinitevalence@discuss.online avatar

They are disorganized and always will be because they are not a hegemon like the Republicans.

iAmTheTot ,

Other countries have their entire election cycles in a few months. It’s a joke to think it’s too late for Biden to drop out.

Thteven ,
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He understands the two party system we’re left with. If we don’t back the democratic candidate we will be fucked by the 30% of the population that wants Cheeto Messiah in the white house.

EnderWiggin ,

Fucking thank you, Bernie. Glad someone with a spine said it.

Varyk ,

Right his whole life, correct here too.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

He also told supporters to vote for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. But… he does tell voters to make up their own decision

Varyk ,

I agree with all three sentiments.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And he was right both times.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

The opinion piece: www.nytimes.com/2024/…/joe-biden-president.html

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