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Gaza's al-Shifa hospital in ruins after two-week Israeli raid

Israel’s military has pulled out of al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City after a two-week raid that has left most of the major medical complex in ruins.

Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry said dozens of bodies had been found and locals said nearby areas were razed.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had killed 200 “terrorists”, detained hundreds more and found weapons and intelligence “throughout the hospital”.

Good on the BBC for putting the word terrorist in quotes there.

Because most of them were certainly not Hamas, if any of them were.

An IDF spokesman said more than 6,000 people had been in the hospital complex, mostly civilians, at the start of the raid.

6000 people. Who knows how many of those were patients? Who knows how many died not directly from the IDF, but from whatever they were in the hospital for in the first place that they could have been cured of if the hospital was allowed to stay?

But congratulations, IDF. Mission accomplished. I’m sure you destroyed Hamas forever.

DoomBot5 ,

Good on the BBC for putting the word terrorist in quotes there.

Hamas are terrorists, their actions line up with every definition of the word in a proper dictionary.

Because most of them were certainly not Hamas, if any of them were.

You have a source of that or are you just pulling it out of your ass like you’re claiming Israel is doing?

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Hamas are terrorists, their actions line up with every definition of the word in a proper dictionary.

Sure, and I totally believe the IDF when they make that claim.

You have a source of that or are you just pulling it out of your ass like you’re claiming Israel is doing?

Source: The IDF says the opposite.

But hey, I’m sure those 200 “terrorists” totally justify the thousands of dead children.

DoomBot5 ,

So you’re saying your statements are based purely on emotion rather than any facts. Hardly something appropriate for a post in a news community.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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What reason do I have to believe anything the IDF says at this point?

DoomBot5 ,

None, since you keep inventing stuff yourself and accusing them of it.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So I shouldn’t believe what someone else says because of something I said? That doesn’t make any sense.

And it sounds like something you invented and accused me of…

DoomBot5 ,

What you shouldn’t be doing is inventing fiction claiming that must be what someone else is doing. This is especially true in a news community that is supposed to be non-fiction. Leave your fiction for the Israeli hate communities.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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That’s still not an explanation for why I should trust the IDF.

It sounds like you can’t come up with one.

DoomBot5 ,

Alright, if you insist on moving the goal posts. Whatever they say is more based on reality than whatever comes out of your imagination. Thus, they should be believed more than your fiction.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

What goal posts have I moved? I have repeatedly asked you why I should believe them and you have repeatedly not told me, just made personal attacks.

Which backs up my claim that you can’t actually explain why the IDF’s claims should be believed.

I can’t imagine why you can’t defend the IDF as a trustworthy source of information when they’re in the middle of a genocide.

DoomBot5 ,

I was saying stop making fictitious claims yet you shifted the goalposts to IDFs integrity.

Any other new questions you want answered while ignoring my current response?

FlyingSquid OP ,
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I’m pretty sure I haven’t made any claims since you said that, I’ve simply asked why the claims of the IDF should be believed.

You can’t tell me and it’s clearly because you know they can’t be believed.

DoomBot5 ,

Because the other option is believing the baseless fiction you’re making up. I know which one I would choose.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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You’re still unable to explain why the IDF should be believed.

All you can do is make personal attacks.

I’m not sure why you think that does anything other than make you look like you can’t actually defend the idea that the IDF is telling the truth (which would make my claim correct).

DoomBot5 ,

You keep ignoring any of my answers that are inconvenient to you. That’s the same logic you apply to the IDF. If you ignore inconvenient facts and focus only on the stuff convenient to you, then yeah you’ll have a problem trusting what the IDF says. If you instead stop ignoring inconvenient facts, then suddenly their info is more believable.

For example, how my original comment was about how you inserted your own emotions into a news article, but you instead chose to ignore that and pivot to how to trust the IDF. You then made it your mission to focus on that and make that the only topic of conversation.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If you ignore inconvenient facts and focus only on the stuff convenient to you, then yeah you’ll have a problem trusting what the IDF says.

Which facts in specific am I ignoring? Please state them.

DoomBot5 ,

Oh, how about most of that comment that specifically gave an example.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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I’m not seeing anything in your comment that is a fact I am ignoring. Please quote the fact.

DoomBot5 ,

Funny, you asked for an example, yet missed the word “example” in my comment. Here you go, I’ll quote it again:

For example, how my original comment was about how you inserted your own emotions into a news article, but you instead chose to ignore that and pivot to how to trust the IDF. You then made it your mission to focus on that and make that the only topic of conversation.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, I read what you wrote. I asked you what facts I ignored.

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