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sirico ,
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The Emperor’s vision comes to fruition

Spacehooks ,

Was thinking more like cybermen but yeah.

FlyingSquid ,
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Find out how scientists kept a pig’s brain alive while separated from its body.

Do I have to?

sturlabragason ,

This is scary as shit!

thehumaneleague.org/article/pig-intelligence

WidowsFavoriteSon ,

This is torture.

ConstantPain ,

Most animal clinical trials and studies could be classified as such.

bigMouthCommie ,
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i think torture is when the pain is the goal of the procedure with the goal of punishing the victim or forcing them to comply. since this was just a scientific inquiry with no (apparent) malice, i'd say it is definitively not torture.

PlutoniumAcid ,
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In that case, let me pull out your fingernails for the purpose measuring whether they are all equally well attached. Don’t worry, they’ll grow back.

…still doesn’t sound like torture to you?

bigMouthCommie ,
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it's inhumane, but that doesn't make it torture.

Sasha ,

HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE MOST AWFUL THING I’VE READ ABOUT CAN WE NOT PLEASE

Why can’t we just fucking treat animals nicely instead of doing insane shit to them, I’m literally going to go and throw up now

miseducator ,

Sounds like someone doesn’t aspire to one day be an immortal brain in a jar.

Froyn ,

My biggest fear is to be an immortal brain a jar, forced to run DOOM as a proof of concept.

miseducator ,

The DOOM theme eternally slaps though. Ner ner nert ner nert ner nert ner nert ner ner ner nert ner forever and ever.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

ill be ok with it if they play e1m1

underwire212 ,

I’ve got some news for ya…

yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=bEXefdbQDjw

lennybird ,
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Sometimes I kind of wish a superior alien race would come down and do exactly the same shit to us as we do to cattle, pigs, chickens, lab rats & mice, etc.

Grimy ,

We did it to ourselves during WW2. It’s not a good look no matter who the victims are or who does it.

In any case, animal testing is sometimes a necessary evil (not you, cosmetic industry). It was also asleep during the whole thing which makes it a bit better.

lennybird ,
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I feel there’s a bit of dissonance between these two points.

Yeah, completely agree it’s not right no matter who does it. From Japan to Germany, to the US forgiving such actions to garner the knowledge gained from these inhumane studies.

My alien quip was merely to invoke some sense of perspective and empathy by seeing how absurd and how quickly people would turn around and go, “This is so cruel!” after they become the victims.

And somehow I doubt people would be assuaged by, “well at least you look like your detached brain is sleeping” or, “Don’t worry; it’s a necessary evil for the greater good of our species.”

orbit ,

Corpse Conglomeration is a badass band name though

Transporter_Room_3 ,
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I’m sure this won’t lead to a matrix-style utilization of brains to be a giant literal neural network (lol Duracell batteries) in an apocalyptic future…

Baggie ,

Guys that’s a bit much please don’t

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

Well, thank God we crossed that one off the list.

bazus1 ,

“… naturally, the lungs and larynx were disconnected the entire time…”

afraid_of_zombies ,

I have no mouth and must scream

iAvicenna ,
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“They found that brain activity remained largely unaltered as compared to ordinary conditions.”

Fucking hell, hope that does not mean the pig was still conscious of some sorts. This is a nightmare

MyDearWatson616 ,

I have no snout yet I must oink.

mkhopper ,
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But what is animal consciousness in terms of being self-aware? Pigs are damn smart, but I’m not sure they’re on the list of animals that exhibit self-awareness.

Also, the article merely states that blood flow to the brain was interrupted, not that the head was removed, which, I’m guessing, is why brain activity was largely unchanged.
If the head was still attached to the spine, then I would assume that all the nerves were still functioning normally. As normal as they would in an anesthetized pig that is, with no interference from outside stimulus. In this study, the animal was quietly sleeping. I can’t imagine any reputable doctor of science today doing such a thing to a conscious animal or human.

And, in one of the linked articles, it talks about how this research can further work on better life saving techniques for humans by developing much better blood and oxygen machines used during complicated surgeries.
So long as the animal is treated respectfully, I have no issue in using animals for research that help human medicine.

iAvicenna ,
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I might have let my imagination run a bit rampant there, for some reason I was thinking of a completely detached brain. but what you said makes more sense.

mutant_zz ,

As far as animal consciousness is concerned, the consensus now seems to be that many animals have some kind of consciousness, including non-mammals such as birds. e.g. fcmconference.org/…/CambridgeDeclarationOnConscio…

AdmiralShat ,

Remember, you’re just an ape.

ExLisper ,

Wait till you learn about locked-in syndrome…

There’s no pain involved. This is simply an extreme case of sensory deprivation. After 5 hours it can be stressful but it’s not really suffering.

CobblerScholar ,

Kinda horrifying but also makes me hope things like this lead to advances in medicine that can allow sci fi shit like a totally body transplant or being able to take the brain out, work on it like a car engine and pop it back in

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

As far as I know experiments with dog heads being kept alive were happening in the 1940’s, but reconnecting it is still the problem.

Blahaj_Blast ,
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More than dogs, and more than I’d thought. Possibly NSFL, it’s cruel.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_transplant

kcuf ,

I’m pretty immune to fucked up shit, but I didn’t like reading that. I also like dogs…

underwire212 ,

One of the most faithful adaptations is the 2004 two-episode miniseries (streaming now on Peacock) starring Alec Newman as the good doctor and Luke Goss as the Creature.

Are these articles just advertisements now?

scutiger ,

Syfy is a cable TV channel, i don’t exactly expect the paragon of journalism.

profdc9 ,

This is the high point of your so-called civilization.

Zip2 ,

One small step closer to brain transplants for Trump supporters though.

fidodo ,

I’ve read animal farm so I’m worried they’d be just as bad but also smarter.

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