I’ll first open by noting that you had no problem referring back to Stalin when you thought it benefitted your argument, or referring to conflicts by the US outside the original date range. When it turns out it really didn’t and you realize that accepting those dates would be utterly impossible to defend in the broader scope of corruption and murder, you quickly changed your tune – and as I predicted – opted for a narrow date range under some excuse (which I’ll get into further below).
Second, true the Russian Federation isn’t the same as the USSR, but that would be like deciding to remove the Civil War from the domain of US History because the Confederacy no longer exists. Simply absurd. Moreover considering that Putin has openly waxed poetry about the USSR and Russian Empire and transitioning back to what he perceives as the golden age, well, I think it’s perfectly valid to bring up the Stalin era. The gulags for all intents still exist. The same building the KGB operated with torture chambers is still run by the FSB. The seat of government still resides at the Kremlin, does it not? Hell, is Putin who was a strong proponent of the USSR and active KGB agent at the time now not the exact same person in power over said region and who advocates for the original territory the USSR once held dominion over?
Sure, but the fact that there are more people in US prisons than in Stalin’s gulags should tell you something about America.
I don’t feel it can tell much of anything, honestly. Again, because you’re not taking proportionality into account, let alone whether those crimes warrant imprisonment, versus the actual transparency of US criminal logs versus the likes of Russia. Nobody will sincerely say that they prefer to go under the Stalinist judicial system and face Gulags versus going to trial in modern-day US lol. This is why using incarceration rates alone is a terrible test for corruption and oppression.
Generally speaking the incarceration rates are pretty comparable between modern Russia and US, ~328 vs. 350 / 100k. This of course taking Russian figures with a massive grain of salt. When aggregating all facets of corruption and oppression, Russia takes the cake., and we’ll get into that more below.
That’s the “selective time range” I’m using. When I say America is the worst on Earth, I’m saying it’s currently the worst on Earth.That’s the “selective time range” I’m using. When I say America is the worst on Earth, I’m saying it’s currently the worst on Earth.
Goalpost moving aside, even if I entertained this, at this very second, Russia is still the chief offender given their ongoing direct assault on Ukraine that has seen 10,000 civilians and frankly many thousands of defending innocent Ukrainian military personnel, their direct involvement in Syria that has seen 300,000 civilians killed, the First Chechen War, the Second Chechen war where many more thousands of civilians were killed. Meanwhile who are Russia’s allies? China? North Korea? Iran? You consider these more free and less corrupt than the US too, do you? If by extension the US responsible for enabling Israel, then so too is Russia for Enabling Kim and the suffering and famine he causes within North Korea, or the Tibetans and Uyghurs oppressed in China.
Yep no doubt we have major problems in the US - especially in state prisons and local jails in the south. I freely agree with that. So imagine how about Russia’s conditions must be for me to exclaim their conditions are worse. I mean, just look at what they did in Bucha with the world watching.
215 people have been buried behind a Mississippi jail since 2016. US prisons are comparable to gulags and in some cases worse.
Hell, there isn’t even enough transparency and internal investigation within Russia TO expose something like this from within without the reporters being murdered. At least credit given that this was an American investigation that uncovered this and sought to correct it.
But to exclaim the average example of US prisons even remotely compares to modern Russian prisons / gulags? No, no chance. Nobody would genuinely choose a Russian prison over a US prison. Slave-like labor, you say? I guess you’re not familiar with Russian penal colonies. “Penal colonies originated from the Soviet Union’s work camps known as gulags but even date back to at least the 18th century.”
That’s just wrong. The Great Purges may have seen 750,000 executions. That was certainly excessive, not something I’m defending, and that’s literally not genocide. He didn’t target an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. He killed perceived enemies of his state and he did so along class and political lines.
The War on Terror is estimated to have caused 4.5 million excess deaths.
Yes, every single major conflict is going to have these broader “excess death” implications proportional to the scale of the conflict. This is not unique to Iraq and Afghanistan, obviously. This goes for Syria, Chechen wars, Ukraine, and so on. Considering the global drop in grain supply thanks to Russia’s targeting of Ukrainian grain shipments, I suspect that too will be linked to broader famine crises in reports to come.
It’s worse than “not good,” it’s complete and utter political oppression. A degree of authoritarianism that is non-existent in America at the present moment.
Its not like protesters haven’t been assaulted and arrested by cops in the US since before our parents were born, and
You’re violating your own date range again in this falsely equivalent whataboutism. Being “assaulted and arrested,” versus “being assaulted, arrested, and locked up for 15 years as systemic legal policy for a tweet protesting the war, or using a blank protest sign” is a bit different.
I can point out that the US is trying to extradite Julian Assange for doing journalism
There is nothing wrong with legal extradition between two countries; the key question is whether the trial would be a kangaroo court – which in Russia, it absolutely would be.
Comparing RICO charges to 15 years imprisonment for blank signs or any sort of tweet or peaceful opposition to the war (or even calling it that) is the most absurd false equivalence fallacy I’ve seen in recent memory. I was able to protest the Iraq war; Russians are not. Massive difference.
Considering the primary global imperialist right now is Russia, I’d beg to differ on that notion. Considering Russia has objectively the worst humanitarian record, journalistic integrity record, most oppressive domestic laws on dissent, and is currently engaged in a globally-unpopular imperial war in Ukraine – I really don’t see how you continue to defend them while exclaiming US the bigger offender right now when no compelling data supports your argument.
The difference in incarceration rates doesn’t make up for these factors. Especially when considering the primary cause of these incarceration rates are the drug war which is finally turning a corner with legalization becoming mainstream.
So by mere quantity and severity, Russia continues to be far more corrupt and oppressive.