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gennygameshark ,

There’s so many quick painless ways to go, how come the stake only wants to ok the ones with a good chance at failing or being torturously painful?

Gazumi , (edited )

The use of nitrogen is nothing more than biological suffocation whilst the person is awake. They will know only that horrible inability to breathe whilst at the same time resorting to panic and anxiety breathing. If you wanted to do execution badly, this is it. (Yes, I understand the mechanisms from gaseous exchange through to the pons medulla reflex)

philo ,
@philo@discuss.online avatar

Explain it’s painless use in euthanasia pods in Switzerland or is that all fake news?

Gazumi ,

Please read for yourself about the process in Switzerland. Come back when you have understanding of what happens there vs the nitrogen mask. Or alternatively provide your medical expertise to counter?

philo ,
@philo@discuss.online avatar

I do understand. I’m waiting for you to explain why it’s painless but ANY process the US uses can’t be. Are you saying the US is scientifically illiterate?

pulaskiwasright ,

The U.S. is cruel.

Gazumi ,

Yes, you sound like you’ve completely failed to understand the difference in methodologies and are obsessed with nitrogen rather than the process. Come back when you can describe the differences and we can have the medical chat.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

You called to explain your point, you only say ‘go do your own research, then come back’, which isn’t helpful, conversationally.

philo ,
@philo@discuss.online avatar

Nice way to say you can’t explain .Instead of playing back and forth nonsense here is your chance. Answer my question to you with no deflecting baloney or be silent. Any other answer will result in you being the first user I block. Sound fair?

Gazumi ,

The Dignitas pods in Switzerland do not have patients gasping, straining for breath and trying to escape as they die over a protracted period. There isn’t very much call for that. Forgive me for not sharing clinical knowledge online about assisted suicide. You are free to remain uninformed about the nitrogen mask and that is your choice.

tacosanonymous ,

I don’t know why we have to specify, “Experimental.”

The state shouldn’t be allowed to decide who dies. Ever.

golgorath ,

Thought the thumbnail was a linux/it meme for a moment (I’m german and use arch btw)

manucode , (edited )

Then why aren’t you on iusearchlinux.fyi?

Edit: Fixed the link

golgorath ,

You mean i-use-arch.fyi ? I may or may not use the same username everywhere…

philo ,

You think they will use an air tight chamber or be idiots like Alabama and use a mask?

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

Since suffering is the whole point of the death penalty, I’m betting mask.

Or they just straight up use CO2 instead.

agressivelyPassive ,

I honestly can’t understand what is going on over there. Killing people with nitrogen is without question one of the best ways to kill a person. A grow box and a large N² tank are enough. How hard can that be?

I mean, people died by accident in nitrogen atmospheres while happily eating lunch.

jmcs ,

There’s a big difference between asphyxiating with nitrogen by accident and knowingly knowing you’re being asphyxiated. Accidental asphyxiation is only peaceful because people don’t know it’s happening.

agressivelyPassive ,

The point is, that you don’t notice it. Your body lacks fast oxygen sensors, as long as you can breathe off CO2, you won’t feel anything, maybe a bit tingly.

That’s not to say it’s “nice”, an execution is inevitably extremely stressful, but that’s kind of inevitable if you want the whole “witness” charade.

Cogency , (edited )
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A pulmonologist in another thread said that was based on bad science. That the body can’t hit hypoxia fast enough to not trigger the suffocation response, because they are holding their breathe up to that point. That’s kind of a big deal if true.

agressivelyPassive ,

Even if that’s true, how long can you hold your breath? Under stress. 2min? Then you’ll breathe again, get rid of CO2 and you’re done.

Again, I’m not advocating for death penalty, but if you’re determined to kill someone, nitrogen is definitely one of the best ways.

Cogency ,
@Cogency@lemmy.world avatar

What they were saying is, is that’s not enough time for the nitrogen to displace the co2 in their lungs for the peaceful part to happen. It’s not hypoxia that they die from its the suffocation.

agressivelyPassive ,

CO2 isn’t “replaced”, it’s getting breathed away like in a normal atmosphere. The atmosphere is 70% nitrogen, it’s not like it’s a toxic gas.

Cogency , (edited )
@Cogency@lemmy.world avatar

The fact that you don’t understand displacement of lung (and bloodstream) gas content tells me you don’t have enough of a medical background to understand wtf you are talking about.

agressivelyPassive ,

The fact that you’re repeating the same words again and again tells me, you just read something you don’t quite understand and act like an expert now.

Cogency , (edited )
@Cogency@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not the one with the burden of proof to prove that it is painless.

Read about the fact that the scientific community can not study the death penalty from within most death penalty states to actually provide anything more than individual testimonials. The scientific community does not support the conclusion that hypoxia is in any way painless. deathpenaltyinfo.org

philo ,
@philo@discuss.online avatar

It is? Where did you learn this tidbit?

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