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InternetPeon ,

We are doing very bad things right now - Israel

breakfastmtn ,
@breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca avatar

Has there been any news about how Israel’s able cut service in Gaza? I assumed at first they were bombing/sabotaging infrastructure but they seem to be able to turn service on and off at will like they’re flipping a switch.

Ab_intra ,
@Ab_intra@lemmy.world avatar

Everything is run trough Israel, even water so that’s how they can stop it.

breakfastmtn ,
@breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca avatar

But from what I’ve seen even the service providers don’t seem to know how they’re doing it.

Ab_intra ,
@Ab_intra@lemmy.world avatar

It’s fairly easy to do so. They just simply disconnect it from their side. Either that or they use someckind of EMP but that would also affect their own equipment so I doubt that is they way they are doing it.

And if it’s not obvious Israel will never comrfirm how.

breakfastmtn ,
@breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca avatar

I guess? I honestly don’t know. I haven’t really seen reporting saying that either though.

During the first blackout there was wide speculation that it was bombing, then some shock when Israel just turned service on when the US told them to. Almost nothing since (that I’ve seen), except to report when a blackout is occurring. I’ve been curious about it since then.

I could be wrong but I suspect that it’d be in some explainer piece if they just had direct access to the infrastructure. I agree that sabotage with something like an EMP would be too imprecise. I’d speculate that they must have some backdoor into those systems.

Rapidcreek ,

They can ping off Egyptian towers.

breakfastmtn ,
@breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca avatar

Who can?

Rapidcreek ,

Gazaian

orrk ,

not through jammers hey can’t

Rapidcreek ,

Have you fantasized all your life or is it a more recent thing.

orrk ,

Do you think that Israel doesn’t have technology from the 70s? high gain directional antenna and a noise generator aren’t new high-tech super-technology.

the only reason we see distributed EW instead of massive stations is that a more advanced army could field weapons that could threaten these things.

here’s a link to the Wikipedia article for you:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_jamming

Rapidcreek ,

I deploy radio networks and have worked in the middle east.

I am not going to explain to you why that is a worthless, bad and stupid idea.

I will however tell you that the Israelis know what is coming off those towers and are gathering intelligence. It’s better that they are active than not. Gaza’s network, however, has failed.

orrk ,

wait, so your argument is… that the IDF wants to spy on Hamas? AFTER the argument was that people in Gaza would ping the cel-towers in Egypt because Israel is blocking the service from their side. after it has been clearly stated that Gaza has no local network outside a bunch of people with short range radios.

you want a reason why the IDF would try and block transmissions? because every picture that get’s out of the children they blow up is harming their reputation and souring the world on their little genocide (and yes, what they are doing is defined as genocide), an analysis that correlates with the IDF targeting not just the few physical telephony connections, but also journalists not embedded with the IDF

Rapidcreek ,

I want to avoid having a technical discussion with someone who doesn’t understand how things work.

For instance. Someone asked how Gazians can use the internet with a network failure. They can ping Egyptian towers is something simple that everyone would understand.

When you lose power on a network you have basicly two elements that die independently…nevermind you aren’t interested in doing anything but bs preaching. You don’t really want care and I’m not interested in spending time in explaining it to you

orrk ,

so, you say “ping” like a ping isn’t just the most simple call and answer request in existance.

then again, the only thing you could have had to do with networks is as a technician, seeing as you literally gave some gibberish and are misusing technical terms. to lose connection over a network (you don’t fucking “lose power” on a network, something someone with a cursory understanding of signal engineering should know), now to disrupt a network you don’t have “two independent elements that die” you have an inability for signals from A to reach B, in fact both A and B can still be very much active, yet the network be down.

now fundamentally all information needs to propagate through some form of medium, in a wired connection that is either electrons or photons over some conductor, now this is comparably stable and easy to shield from noise yet very vulnerable to physical attacks (Israel destroyed basically all the cabled network hubs in Gaza on day 3, so that was physically destroyed a long time ago).

now the other Popular medium is radio waves, aka electromagnetic radiation, this is your cellphone, Wi-Fi, walkie-talkies, radios, etc… this is literally the electromagnetic equivalent of shouting really loud (yes literally propagation of waves through a medium), now imagine someone else has a fucking air raid siren they just have running all day long, within shouting distance to you, and now try to talk to someone.

Rapidcreek ,

IDK. could be, but I’ve seen clips coming out of South Gaza that would say otherwise.

twitter.com/YWNReporter/…/1731745914417492068?t=n…

anteaters ,

Ah that clip absolutely shows a prison filled with children without food, water, power and internet access.

Rapidcreek ,

Forgot the /s

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Can’t have live video getting out showing the murders the IDF commits.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I agree and I’m sure that’s what this is about, but honestly, if you haven’t seen enough yet to realize Israel is massacring innocent people, even live video won’t convince you.

breakfastmtn ,
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It’s probably more to do with cutting off communications for Hamas. Photos and videos are going to get out. Whether it’s today, tomorrow, or the next day isn’t going to change public reaction much.

athos77 ,

Didn't Israel say that they were posting areas that Gazans should be evacuating on Xitter and?Facebook, and that it was up to the Gazans to keep checking those sites and evacuate when needed, and that Israel couldn't be responsible for anyone who didn't follow evacuation orders? And now it turns out that Gazans can't read the orders anyway (and those that evacuate to Israeli-designated "safe" areas get bombed anyway)?

0ddysseus ,

I mean, that’s better than round 1 when they told the civilians where to move to and then bombed that position. At least this way they’re more dispersed…?

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