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Moving outside of guns specifically, that’s happened with abortion rights; first it was just some abortions, then all of them (depending on the state), then the right to travel to another state, now they’re working on banning birth control and overturning no-fault divorce.

Why didn’t the pro-gun community stop it? Aren’t you claiming right now that guns are required to stop rights being eroded?

Yes, people use the best tool that they have available. If that tool magically didn’t exist–and there are more guns than people in the US–then people would switch to a different tool

Yes, I want people to have worse tools for killing innocent people. You’re openly admitting it would would be an improvement.

and you’d be talking about how people used X because it’s better than Y, and so we need to ban X.

Sure thing. I assume its also fine for me to extrapolate your views out forever and claim your goal is to legalise hand grenades, claymores and rocket launchers for all Americans, including felons, as the first step to eventually making WMDs cheap and freely available to everyone and the only way to prevent that is to immediately ban all private gun sales.

Of course, those might be your actual views since they’re not uncommon in the pro-gun community, unlike the mythical gun control advocates who start with “lets not sell guns to people who have been making death threats” and don’t stop until they’ve banned hammers.

People in other countries have these same debates, trying to create ever stricter security measures to prevent crimes, even though they have far, far lower rates or murder.

How dare people try and prevent preventable deaths. What scumbags.

I wonder why they have “far, far lower rates for murder” since obviously the only way to truly be safe is the cold embrace of an AR-15.

Much like your utopia where guns don’t exist?

Did you forget the rest of the world exists and has gun control? They even change their gun laws over time in response to changing circumstances, rather than just ask slavers with wooden teeth their thoughts then vow to use that forever.

Why do you resist the social changes that would reduce violence across the board, and not just one specific subset using one tool?

Sure, you could have tried your luck with that when the pro-gun crowd was blaming dumb shit like video games, rock music and the number of doors a building had, but what are you suggesting I oppose now?

I support increased access to mental health services, universal healthcare and massively reducing wealth inequality. This has been my consistent opinion for over 25 years, before doing mass shootings with your legal guns became a fad among the far-right.

But I’m never going to support maximizing the damage that criminals, abusers, idiots and domestic terrorists can do just because there might be less of them in 50 years, especially in return for bullshit promises about rights, democracy and personal safety that are less true in America than in countries with gun control.

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