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bdonvr OP , in Student Loan Forgiveness: Supreme Court Rejects Biden’s Debt Forgiveness Plan

This is gonna get ugly when payments resume.

OptimusPrimeDownfall , in Student Loan Forgiveness: Supreme Court Rejects Biden’s Debt Forgiveness Plan
@OptimusPrimeDownfall@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

At what point do people start protesting?

Also, in what world is ‘modify’ not an equivalent word to ‘transform’? The literal DEFINITION is “verb. [‘ˈmɑːdəˌfaɪ’] cause to change; make different; cause a transformation.”

davehtaylor ,

Remember “If Roe falls, we riot!” slogans, and then when it happened, there seemed to be a collective “meh” from mainstream liberals?

The fucking Biden admin and Congress had a solid month from the leak of that decision, and a trifecta, to pass legislation to ensure reproductive rights. And they sat on their fucking hands and let it be struck down.

To be fair, in the aftermath of summer 2020, many states made it super easy to charge protesters as domestic terrorists (see what’s happening in Georgia, e.g.).

I honestly don’t know what it’s going to take at this point. Conservatives are waging a fascist takeover of states, courts, and federal agencies. And Dems in Congress are fucking sleepwalking, letting it happen.

carbonprop , in Climate activist faces 10 years in jail for a fake letter 'canceling' an oil industry conference | CNN

I love me some good satire. Good for her.

GlassHalfHopeful OP ,
@GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org avatar

Better for her if what her lawyers are seeking comes to pass.

Sentencing is scheduled for September 8, according to Dunedin District Court. While the maximum jail sentence is 10 years, Penwarden said her lawyers are asking for “discharge without conviction.”

I'm so frustrated by the powers who put persons like her in prison while genuine and true corruption is permitted to continue unabated.

HappyMeatbag ,
@HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org avatar

I hope she doesn’t actually get anything close to ten years. That’s something you’d expect from a corrupt third world dictatorship, not New Zealand.

Gray ,
@Gray@lemmy.ca avatar

Seriously. Why the fuck is it even a possibility for ten years of prison over something like this? It’s crazy to me that a nonviolent crime could be punished so severely. I mean, why do we have prison? Is it to remove dangerous people from society? That’s certainly how I think it should be, but these sorts of punishments really show that it’s all about sating the bloodlust of victims.

OmnipotentEntity ,
@OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org avatar

If you are a powerful person than an activist is the most dangerous person to you and your position. So in a fucked up way the sentencing disparity makes perfect sense.

Ascyron ,

Look, forgery can be a serious crime and having a max penalty of 10 years seems okay to me.

In this instance though, max sentence definitely isnt deserved! From what I know of our justice system, I think discharge without conviction is a real possibility and seems the best possible outcome.

But yeah fuck pepanz.

Gray ,
@Gray@lemmy.ca avatar

What purpose does throwing someone in prison for ten years do though for something like forgery? Would it not be better if they were forced to do community service and lost access to the tools that led to them committing forgery? Why pay money to remove someone from society for a decade? Is it to teach any other potential forgerers a lesson? Is it to teach the forgerer themself a lesson? Is that really a lesson that needs to be worth a decade in a cell to learn? The world’s justice systems have generally erred too much on the side of retribution instead of rehabilitation. It’s especially sinister when you consider how much our capitalist systems place more value on things like capital over people’s lives and wellbeings. To be clear, I consider myself to be a capitalist, but a social democrat that believes in heavy regulations on our capitalist systems. I think our retributive, excessively pro-business justice system is a clear example of what happens when you let capitalism go unfettered and bleed into every aspect of our lives. Forgery is not violent. Most of the time it is not actively dangerous. Why don’t we come up with more creative and proactive ways of punishing people that would benefit people at large rather than ruin the criminal’s entire life? Even in a case where I am not on the criminal’s side I find myself pretty appalled that ten years could even possibly be on the table in a forgery case.

Duranie ,

I’m going to guess that the upper end of the sentencing for forgery is probably for situations like human trafficking (forging documents) or smuggling endangered species, ivory, etc. At least that’s the level it should be for.

meat_popsicle ,

Money knows no borders.

All judicial systems are at the beck and call of the well-heeled. Expect jail time - the rich are reminding the poors about who holds the leash.

HandsHurtLoL ,

I'm in awe of this mad lass.

marco OP , in Brazil Set to Bar Bolsonaro From Office for Election-Fraud Claims
@marco@beehaw.org avatar

You have to protect your institutions. I say, well done Brazil.

GiantBasil , in Brazil Set to Bar Bolsonaro From Office for Election-Fraud Claims

This fucker did so much damage here, y'all have no idea, and that's not even a fraction of what he deserves, but it's great news. Last year's election day was a nightmare, we barely made it.(having everything counted and announced day of is fun and zappy, but nerve-wracking)

I was already dreading the next one.

marco OP ,
@marco@beehaw.org avatar

Just look at Turkey ... Well, and the US :(

I definitely celebrated with my Brazilian friends when you made it!

On the brighter side: Hello Basil from Brazil 👋

sarsaparilyptus , in Super-rich warned of ‘pitchforks and torches’ unless they tackle inequality

Personally I would prefer guillotines and pikes

withersailor OP ,

It’s time for guillotines

Trevor Moore

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZFxZmDNlV8

jsasf ,
@jsasf@beehaw.org avatar

Thanks for sharing. I sure wish Trevor had stayed with us.

AnActualFossil ,
@AnActualFossil@kbin.social avatar

Those are more expensive and less mobile though. I guess you could put little wheels on the guillotine to solve the problem.

baggins ,
@baggins@beehaw.org avatar

There was a big 4 seater type one used in Carnival Row. Something like that would help.

jerome , in Climate activist faces 10 years in jail for a fake letter 'canceling' an oil industry conference | CNN
@jerome@kbin.social avatar

Wow, what will the people that did the fake electors plot, get? Rocket to the sun??

AttackBunny ,
@AttackBunny@kbin.social avatar

Well, we know that the Jan 6th "protesters" are getting 6 months, or maybe a year. The longest I've seen was 18 years to stupid ass Stuart Rhodes. How is what this woman did 9 years worth of time worse?

Zorque ,

It affects the bottom line of major industries, in theory, rather than the safety and stability of a country.

Clearly a dangerous and deranged individual. She'll probably offer some of those werthers candies next. The pure audacity of it.

literallyacat , in Super-rich warned of ‘pitchforks and torches’ unless they tackle inequality
@literallyacat@beehaw.org avatar

Surely their huge stacks of money will protect them from the bullets, right? Right???

interolivary ,
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

I'm worried you may be underestimating how many bootlickers would be willing to defend a billionaire in some sort of collapse scenario

Kaldo ,

I mean, yes, good luck getting to their closed communities and enwalled houses with panic rooms, personal bodyguards and police / law in their pockets. Did we even have any famous billionaire assassinations in history so far?

ConsciousCode ,

I would personally prefer to sentence anyone with a net worth of over $1B to a lifetime eating $100 bills until they’ve literally eaten their fortune. Show them the real value of their monopoly paper, you know?

Qiz , in Brazil Set to Bar Bolsonaro From Office for Election-Fraud Claims

I’m getting tired of so many good news after Lula got elected last year.

Inflation is down, exchange rates are better, gas prices stabilized, minimum wage is up and now Bolsonaro got barred from running again until 2031.

marco OP ,
@marco@beehaw.org avatar

Congrats on the well deserved tiredness ;)

How is the rainforest and it's native people doing? Haven't heard about them in a while....

interolivary ,
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

Only until 2031? Do you think he’ll run again after he’s allowed to?

Qiz ,

If he manages to stay relevant until then for sure.

kool_newt , in US top court deals blow to LGBTQ rights in web designer case

So, we can refuse people that seem right wing too right?

LostCause , in Climate activist faces 10 years in jail for a fake letter 'canceling' an oil industry conference | CNN

If she actually gets convicted of that, it might be another one of these events that seems insignificant on it‘s own, but could have repercussions in hindsight.

Similar to those two self-immolations in the US due to climate change, the loss of these people stuck with me and we‘re not even in the same continent. I can‘t imagine how the relatives and friends feel.

There is a lot of climate anxiety and fear around, and these sorts of repressive actions, or even the inactions following desperate moves, serve to strengthen these feelings.

Wish the best for this woman, some people say or think things like "old people (boomers) don’t care" etc. and I admit I did too, but she proved it wrong, the climate concerns everyone.

archpaladin1 , in Super-rich warned of ‘pitchforks and torches’ unless they tackle inequality
@archpaladin1@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

She said many rich people wanted to set up their own educational or health foundations without checking whether there was a need or an existing charity or government-funded programme working to address the issue.

When the rich only think about charity as a means to further their own name, it’s no wonder nothing ever really gets fixed.

Uniquitous , in Student Loan Forgiveness: Supreme Court Rejects Biden’s Debt Forgiveness Plan

If young people don’t start breaking things and setting shit on fire over this, then they won’t do it over anything, ever.

Chobbes ,

I’m a Canadian living in the US and the fact that you haven’t burned the health insurance companies to the ground is still astounding to me. Like the situation in the states is so fucking dire and depressing, but I guess there just isn’t “one unifying event” for people to rally against… Like I think if you took away public healthcare in other countries you could organize some push back, but when it’s the status quo it seems a lot harder to rally everybody at the same time… especially when people literally can’t afford to strike and the culture is so individualistic. Also I feel like in America there’s a very low tolerance for inconvenience? There’s a lot of “well I agree with what these people want, but they should protest in a way that I can completely ignore”, which, I mean, I understand… it sucks when unrest happens and ruins things for you… but also seems really short sighted and counterproductive.

I dunno, I’m probably just ignorant, but it just seems so hopeless? Like nobody ever does anything… I don’t do anything either (I especially don’t want to protest while living abroad when I can get deported lol). Getting a critical mass of people to protest seems super hard… especially when protesting is kind of scary and hard, and you have to work all the time.

VentraSqwal ,

It makes me want to move, but all my family and friends are here, and my SO’s job which she enjoys and has coworkers she likes. It’s so tough =( I wish this country was is willing to fight. I also wonder what it would take. The BLM movement was good, but a lot of the gains from that were rolled back. So I guess anything less than citizens getting shot in the streets doesn’t cause anything and we have to settle for this slow moving fascist take over.

ArugulaZ , in Climate activist faces 10 years in jail for a fake letter 'canceling' an oil industry conference | CNN

When will we put the oil industry executives in prison for genocide? (The genocide of the human race.)

Bazzatron ,

First of all, ✊

But I think the extermination of humanity would be specioside. Genocide is the extermination of a race and maybe a sub-species if being applied to non-humans.

theforkofdamocles ,

Also ✊. Race is mostly decided to be a social construct, so I think genocide still applies.

g0nz0li0 , in Finland coalition in chaos as far-right minister quits over ‘climate abortion’ remark

What’s happening in Finland that they turned to the right wing to solve their problems? Here in Australia we’ve recently swept right wing governments at the federal and state level, they were not nearly as extreme, just your garden variety corrupt, climate-denying boomers mismanaging our country to mediocrity.

interolivary OP ,
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

"Poor abstract reasoning skills" is probably the most sensitive way I can put it. We're a fairly conservative country at the best of times.

We had a leftist government for the first time in over a decade, and they started right before COVID hit. They handled things OK, but we had a government full of young female ministers and that did not sit right with conservatives. All of the right wing parties and their supporters started lying about eg. employment going down due to government mismanagement (it actually went up despite COVID), the PM using drugs (she wasn't), that the government is taking on too much debt (they weren't, at last in comparison to the other Nordics or central Europe), etc etc. Crises tend to draw people to authoritarianism, and here especially the extreme right wing party is now the second most popular right after the "fiscal conservatives".

But we have the government we deserve. If people are so unfathomably stupid as to want austerity and Nazi ministers, we don't deserve anything better

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