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Shady_Shiroe ,
@Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world avatar

I got a better valve solution!

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/85aff428-3410-4812-a74d-60248c079086.jpeg

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Those PVC ball valves love to seize up, best practice is to exercise them every month or so so they can’t bind.

Until you replace the valve just use some channel locks to actuate it.

encrust9870 ,

I plan on installing some water to feed my garden later this summer. I was considering PVC, but is this a better case for metal? How does the plastic handle the UV from the sun? I thought outdoor might be gray PVC, but I was thinking underground PVC with galvanized above.

this_1_is_mine ,

Even galvanized will rust together. I like brass valves but PVC everything else though i like the black plastic non potable line but make sure you rigid Mount everything. Drive a fence Post or rebar or… and tie the plumbing to it as close to the valve as you can to keep it from flexing as much as you can. This will give it the most longevity vs anything else including material choice.

batmaniam ,
  1. Yes: you absolutely want the outdoor rated PVC if you’re getting sun exposure. You can cheat, it’s not like the white stuff will be immediately destroyed, but if you want something that will last a bunch of seasons, the “grey” stuff is the way to go. Double check that it’s UV rated though, and doesn’t just happen to be grey.
  2. To get around all of that, you can bury it. Because you’re just doing it for the garden, you don’t need to dig down to the frost line. Just make sure you clear the line at the end of the season. Another advantage is that you’ll minimize the amount of water that’s been baking in the sun idle in the pipes. If it’s a heatwave and they’re in direct sun, that water can get downright hot to the touch. I’ve never lost a plant because of it but frankly I’m kind of surprised by that. If you do bury, you might consider running some electrical conduit at the same time, even if you don’t put wires in it (DO however include a pull cable for later use). What you do at either end of that is a whole other project, but you can always just cap it and get it to it when you get to it. Solar + Battery usual works great for garden automation stuff, but being able to run an ethernet cable can simplify a lot.
  3. Plastic will hold up fine, but as others have mentioned you might want one of these.. The union allows to remove it. You could do a more simple threaded system IF you are able to completely and freely rotate everything “down stream” of the valve. I’m just going to say the stupid part out loud because I learned pipe stuff the hard way: A ball valve threaded on both sides cannot be loosened from one side without tightening the other (again, unless that other side can freely rotate). Edit: alternatively unions are sold separately, and sometimes you can eek out some flow advantages that way but it’s in no way worth thinking about at garden water flow rates.
  4. Finally, a last alternative I’ve seen done well for gardens that sort of “wrong done right” is putting posts up and stringing a hose over head. It kind of seemed like as much work/expense as burying it, but I guess they had the posts, it came out really sharp in the end. You need a pretty high quality hose though. Baking in the sun and sagging under the water weight can end badly.
comador ,
@comador@lemmy.world avatar

Pliers it is then… sigh

jimmydoreisalefty ,
@jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world avatar

Did you use pliers or adjustable wrench to shut it off?

Are you going to switch out the blue handle?

Looks like you need to buy a full replacement part if you can’t find just the handle with O-Ring and cap.

Your valve looks like the one below:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a152a27a-cc52-4df1-a730-e041db103830.png

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Tylerdurdon ,

If you’re handy in any way, PVC isn’t too hard to work with. I used to do my own sprinkler system. Since this is above ground and larger, it’s even easier. This is assuming you have some common tools and can watch YouTube.

ChihuahuaOfDoom OP ,

Yeah, I’ve done plenty with it before. I’m planning to re-engineer this whole setup so I can unscrew the valves in the future for easy replacement.

Tylerdurdon ,

I wish you luck! Don’t sniff the glue… Unless you want to!

ThePantser ,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

Could be a use case for a 3D print. Just model a valve that covers over what’s left.

ChihuahuaOfDoom OP ,

That’s an idea but I don’t currently have a 3d printer and maker spaces don’t exist where I live. That and the torque I put on this valve to get it where it currently sits would break any 3d printed plastic part I’ve come across.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

A strap wrench might help.

Tylerdurdon ,

And if that doesn’t work, tell your wife to get the strap-on.

nokturne213 ,

You pegged it!

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

Not yet.

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure he’s feeling it regardless.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

Thank God for my Snap-On Strap-On.

MrJameGumb ,
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like a job for some pliers

ChihuahuaOfDoom OP ,

That is certainly the next step.

ChihuahuaOfDoom OP ,

My son snapped one of the ears off a few days ago and I thought I could be more successful but alas I was not.

vk6flab ,
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

Are you turning it the right way?

I’m asking because I’ve seen circumstances where everyone was convinced that it needed to go one way, but many expensive hours later were proven to be wrong.

Also, is there something jammed in the pipe, like say roots or a snake?

ChihuahuaOfDoom OP ,

More than likely there is something in the pipe. I’m going to have to cut it open to investigate and replace the valve. I am 100% turning it the right way as there are stops built in that prevent incorrect rotation. The next iteration will have valves that can unscrew.

justaderp ,

I’ve got a project coming hopefully this fall. You probably just saved me hours next summer.

Tayb ,

Yeah, go for a good quality one like a Spears or a Cepex. Those hardware store white ones get brittle, lock up, and snap like you saw. I spend the 30-40 on one of the good ones and it stays smooth forever.

disguy_ovahea ,

Try a strap wrench.

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