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TardisBeaker ,

I’m sorry. At least when it gets to negative 40 you won’t have to translate it from C to F.

ByteWizard ,

If you voted Liberal, you voted for this.

dubyakay ,

Finland has more than 330 hydro power plants, with total capacity of over 3,100 megawatts in 2022. Hydro accounted for 18% of Finland’s total installed power generation capacity and 22% of total power generation in 2021.

WTFINLAND

Hydro-Québec Production main power plants (2020) Total Others (49 hydro, 1 therma) - 13302 MW

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Hydro =/= hydro. The plants in Finland are tiny in comparison.

Hotzilla ,

Finland is flat, no possiblity in hydro if you don’t have the mountains with water in them. Norway gets all the hydro, and Finland buys it there.

lntl ,

i keep a pile of coal in the cellar for the extra cold days

lud ,

To do what with? Light a coal fire in the living room?

It doesn’t sound safe even in a proper fireplace.

lntl ,

found one whose never felt the heat of a coal stove

it’s handy to have backup heat source when the power goes out so pipes don’t freeze

lud ,

Nope, I am far too young for that.

I have never heard of anyone that currently has a coal-heated house. I thought it was entirely dead in the developed world. Here these heating options are common district heating, geothermal, direct electric heating, some other kind of heat pump, biofuel (like pellets), and a tiny bit of oil and gas.

The most popular by far is district heating, after that comes electric heating (which includes electricity used for geothermal heat pumps and other kinds) and then biofuel. Gas and oil are barely visible on a graph.

I just tried to find a place in my country which sells coal for heating but alas I didn’t succeed. You can of course buy coal but its intended purpose is always grilling or smithing.

Sibbo ,

And then you just burn them in a pot on your table and breathe the exhaust?

Critical_Insight OP ,

Tomorrow is back to normal. Even the 37c/kWh spike hardly registers on the graph compared to today even though that’s still pretty expensive.

https://i.imgur.com/O3plhCV.jpg

agressivelyPassive ,

40c/kWh is a pretty normal price here in Germany…

Ironically, prices are high, because of too much extremely cheap renewables.

the_third ,

Bullshit. Check the prices around Christmas last year, Germany was running only on renewables on the 24th and I paid .19€/kWh all day long then.

https://feddit.de/pictrs/image/d8c04d10-9bd8-44e8-bc4d-98d241330510.png

agressivelyPassive ,

Do you really think, that’s what anyone pays? Because that’s not how consumer contracts work. You’re paying whatever you agreed upon when signing the contract.

Source: www.stromauskunft.de/strompreise/

This was literally 10s of google. Is that so hard?

the_third ,

Yes, that’s what I pay. That’s what my contract works like.

tibber.com

agressivelyPassive ,

And on average, you’ll pay just as much as everyone else. If prices go through the roof, you’ll get screwed. See 2022.

the_third ,

Nope. More than 80% of my usage comes from heating and driving and I’ve heavily optimized car charging and heat buffering to make use of low cost times.

Heating can only be optimized for about 24h periods, that’s why I can supplement my heating with wood from my own forest.

Driving, between April and October pretty much only happens using electricity from my own roof, between May and September the entire house uses less than 100kWh from the grid.

Before I signed at Tibber, I had of course compared my recorded load profiles including simulations for automated usage optimization against EPEX 60min day-ahead prices and I would have been at less than 0.23€/kWh on average since 2020, including the high prices of 2022.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Are you actually paying the daily spot price? Not a flat amount with the utility provider taking the hit? That’s how I know it from any other country, unless you have a specific contract where the user made an informed decision to opt for market rates.

Hotzilla ,

Mainly the reason is that many countries do not have hourly capable meters, so calculating the price for each hour is not possible. Flat rate is needed when you just have the cumulative read once a month.

In Finland the meters communicate automatically once a day, and send the 24h values to grid company. The next generation meters which are now installed can communicate once a hour.

30% of Finns are on spot.

MaxPower ,
@MaxPower@feddit.de avatar

I honestly don’t understand. Isn’t Finland one of the countries who should have figured out how to heat a home efficiently a long time ago?

possiblylinux127 ,

You need to seriously need to rethink your home. First off, consider getting a radiator heater. These heaters have no fan and are filled with oil to passively heat the air. They are pretty efficient and can heat a small space.

Next make sure you have blinds covering all windows. Windows loss a lot of heat even if they are double paned.

In the spring time it may be worth getting some insulation blown in.

Critical_Insight OP ,

My heatpump is about 3x more efficient than electric radiator.

MaxHardwood ,

How are you using 21kWh/day heating a small home? Do you have any insulation at all?

bastion ,

A tiny heater running all day would do that.

1kw is a small heater. 0.8kw is a tiny one. 0.8x24 is 19.2. Assuming they have other basic appliances, that’s already more than enough to account for their usage.

Critical_Insight OP ,

50kWh and closer to 90kWh on days like this. It’s a log cabin and I’m keeping my root cellar and insulated shed above freezing aswell. Even running a 1kW heater all day would result in a consumption more than 21kWh and that wouldn’t keep any house warm.

schnokobaer ,

That’s a perfectly normal number for any home that isn’t very new and perfectly insulated.

My 37sqm appartment needs approximately 5000 kWh in natural gas per year, 876 kWh last December, so 28 kWh per day on average. The building is admittedly old and not perfectly insulated but it’s also not a log cabin out in the open in Finland, but instead a flat enclosed within 3 other flats in the middle of cosy, never below -8C Germany.

21 kWh in a log cabin in Finnland actually seemed pretty low to me. It’s sort of obvious OP is using a heat pump and the cabin must really be absolutely tiny.

Nollij ,

Why are you measuring natural gas in kWh? How do you even measure that as such?

schnokobaer ,

My meter measures it in m^3^ and my supplier, knowing the exact caloric value of the product they’re selling, tells me in kWh on my bill.

edit: m^3^ of course not ^2^ lol

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Very common in countries that use the metric system (ie literally everywhere except the USA). It’s measured either in kWh or in m^3

Blackmist ,

Probably because it’s about -35C outside.

Dude is basically living on the set of The Thing at this point.

Blackmist ,

How’s the heat pump gang doing in that kind of temperature?

BlameThePeacock ,

They should be using supplement heat sources at that temperature.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Since it’s a cold area, they’re likely using a geothermal heat pump, which isn’t affected by air temperature. It uses the ground for heat exchange rather than the air.

BlameThePeacock ,

Some of the modern air-source heat pumps can operate down to those temperatures. carbonswitch.com/best-cold-climate-heat-pump/

You’re right though, geothermal would be more likely currently and if that’s the case then the heat pump gang is doing just fine.

Critical_Insight OP ,

It’s what I exclusively heat my house with

exocortex ,

It peaked there right? So the rest of the day it was lower wasn’t it? Still very expensive!

Oha ,

what the fuck?

BigDickEnergy ,

If you’re in a granny cottage then just burn wood instead? Doing this rn and am very happy to go off-grid for ca. 48 hours

neo ,

So you’re BigDickEnergy in a granny cottage, heating the place with your wood to get off grid. Nice!

Critical_Insight OP ,

I unfortunelately don’t have a fireplace in my house. It was removed when the house was renovated in the 80’s

Thassodar ,

In a place where it’s regularly cold? Whose brilliant idea was that?!

Critical_Insight OP ,

When I said my house is tiny I truly mean that. I don’t even have space for a medium size house plant let alone a fireplace. The attic was converted into living space and I believe the fireplace used to be where the stairs are now.

I have a wood burning sauna on a separate building though

Damage ,

That is an insane price, and it feels like it should be illegal.

Further integration at an EU level would allow energy supply to be less influenced by local issues.

throws_lemy ,
@throws_lemy@lemmy.nz avatar

Someone said -45.5 °C

https://file.coffee/u/_HC_uU8gaVhFSg84kz6gJ.png

qyron ,

Ouch.

Meanwhile, in Portugal, my peak energy price will be around €.10, with the minimum at around €.06

To what degree is your house insulated already?

NoIWontPickaName ,

-40 is eye buggingly cold. You could have a styrofoam house and I would still worry about being cold in it, plus y’know, the giant fire hazard.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Well after lighting the styrofoam you won’t feel cold anymore

NoIWontPickaName ,

But I like feeling vijif!

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Lol I don’t know how that got autocorrected. Dutch is a funny language, but that isn’t a word…

Critical_Insight OP ,

It’s a log cabin with 5cm added fibreglass insulation on the inside.

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