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itsAllDigital ,

What about YYYY/MM/DD?

jungekatz ,
@jungekatz@lib.lgbt avatar

Works , but MMDDYY ugh

KiofKi ,
@KiofKi@feddit.de avatar

Even better, easier sorting.

Holzkohlen ,

Yeah, that’s the one you use for filenames. Backup images and the likes.

EFZL5NM0 ,

Use hyphens instead of slashes and we’re on the same page.

merc ,

Why would you put the day in a secondary sub-folder?

VikingHippie ,

Nobody puts Baby in a tertiary folder!

Declamatie ,

Now that I think of it, this may actually be a pretty nice system to store files hierarchically by date.

merc ,

It’s definitely something you can do when the year is in the most-significant-digits place in the order and the day-of-the-month is in the least-significant place.

chtk ,
@chtk@feddit.nl avatar

ISO 8601 or bust.

Droggl ,

8601 for life

Letstakealook ,

Beautiful

BrownianMotion ,
@BrownianMotion@lemmy.world avatar

This.

I can handle DDMMYY[YY] it reads correctly. But YYYYMMDD is numerically correct, most signifcant to least significant digitwise.

That thing only American’s do, is completely non-sensical.

Icalasari , (edited )

It is sensical for one use:

"So when is the event?"
"May 20th, 2024"

It's such a niche use, though

Ascyron ,

I think that’s because you’re used to hearing dates said that way? Over here in DDMMYY-land, we often would say “20th of May, 2024” and that sounds equally sensical to me tbh

IWantToFuckSpez ,

And in a lot of countries they just say 20 May, 2024. So no ordinal numbers for the day.

merc ,

You mean the 20th of May?

Trd ,

20th in 5th in the year of our lord 2023

stebo02 , (edited )
@stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

In what way is it sensible?

I get that you prefer saying it like that, just because you’re used to it, but it is definitely in no way sensible.

Icalasari ,

In that it at least has a use that one can go, "Alright I guess that technically works"

18107 ,

Americans always put the month first.
E.g. July 4th.

Malfeasant ,

Except when we don’t, like 4th of July…

nevial ,
@nevial@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I know you’ve been bashed already by others, but could you elaborate on why this is sensical?

Icalasari ,

In a, "Alright I guess that technically works and at least can follow the logic". It's pretty damn niche, however (who is going to ask for two or more years in advanced for a date and not go, "Just text/email it"? Heck, even this is pushing it, but I can at least follow the logic)

Could be that I'm slightly fucking up definitions in my head, it was a long day yesterday

RobertOwnageJunior ,

For sorting or filing, I agree. I think in day to day life, though, Day and month are way more significant. So I actually prefer DDMMYYYY for that.

tillary ,

DDMMYYYY would be great, if it weren’t for 95% of Americans that use MMDDYYYY. Is 07/02/2000 July 2nd or Feb 7th?

Thus the only solution is to write out the month or start with the year, because no logical group of people currently use YYYYDDMM. Plus by using YYYYMMDD you get the added benefit of the dates all being sortable using dumber applications.

RobertOwnageJunior ,

Makes sense, I just mostly interact with Europeans, so I don’t encounter this problem a lot. I really don’t have a problem with YYYYMMDD though anyway.

ibk ,

because no logical group of people currently use YYYYDDMM

You are saying it like if MMDDYYYY made any sense. To someone who uses MMDDYYYY daily, they could think of YYYYMMDD as “Its like the usual but backwards” and now you have a group of people reading it as YYYYDDMM.

tillary ,

You could convince a group of people to use YYYYDDMM, but what I mean is nobody currently uses it. So at this moment of time YYYYMMDD is intuitive, and has a miniscule chance of being mixed up like DDMMYYYY and MMDDYYYY (because a large number of people use these formats).

Please don’t convince Americans to use YYYYDDMM lol. :-)

Paralda ,

It’s because that’s how we talk. We say October 5th, not the 5th of October.

tillary ,

English people say October 5th. Spanish people say 5 de Octubre. Same for other languages. That’s probably why Europeans prefer the other format.

Paralda ,

Yeah I was talking about Americans specifically

fushuan ,

I still prefer yyyymmdd for day to day. If year is irrelevant just skip it. If you only use a date format you get used to it and it becomes the most efficient one due to consistency. Sidenote, in my language the default date format is actually yyyymmdd.

Mockrenocks ,

Dd MMM YYYY

pseudonym ,

I absolutely loath the American favorite: 8/9. Like fuck, is that August 9th, September 8th, or just a fraction??

riimoh , (edited )

So if you communicate with someone you will specify the date in the year 2023 september 23rd we shall meet and not 23rd of september🧐

balance_sheet ,

That is not the point. When you print/document something, use ISO. In everday cases, it won’t matter much.

VikingHippie ,

That one for file sorting, the one in the pic for everything else.

BarryZuckerkorn ,

Sorry, in Linux everything is a file, so there is no “everything else.”

VikingHippie ,

Life extends beyond Linux, though. I was speaking in general terms.

lukini ,
@lukini@beehaw.org avatar

No, YYYY-MM-DD is fine for real life. Just drop the year when it doesn’t matter. Billions of people use this format.

larouxn ,

So glad this is the default in Japan. 🇯🇵 😌

President_Pyrus ,
@President_Pyrus@feddit.dk avatar

I expected to see this when I looked at the comments, and you didn’t disappoint me!

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

my best idea is a give my gf a white claw and she isn't mean to me

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

This rarely works, btw

kkard2 , (edited )
@kkard2@lemmy.ml avatar

to make things as not confusing as possible, my rule of thumb is:

  • yyyy-mm-dd (yyyy instead of yy ensures that it’s not mistaken for dd-mm-yy) (hyphens can be replaced with underscores)
  • dd.mm.yyyy (yyyy same as above) (really dislike using for filenames, sorting doesn’t work)
  • mm/dd/yyyy (only if there is no other choice) edit: mm/dd/yyyy vs mm/dd/yy doesn’t matter because both make 0 sense already
Benign ,

The first one you listed is an ISO standard date format, and is the only way to go :)

kkard2 ,
@kkard2@lemmy.ml avatar

if i write a date on paper i tend to go with 2, but yes

droans ,

I dunno. If the date is between 2001 and 2012, I prefer YY/DD/MM. So August 4th, 2005 would be 05/04/08.

Malfeasant ,

Some men just like to watch the world burn.

hangonasecond ,

But what about why 10k, the horrors

StalksEveryone ,
@StalksEveryone@lemmy.villa-straylight.social avatar

yall trippin, it should be MMYYDD

Zozano ,

Look at this moron. DY-MY-DM is the only logical date format.

Selmafudd ,

This is some enigma date code shit… nearly broke my head trying to work out my birthday

Edit: fuck I see why my birthday wasn’t making sense now, you have the same digit of day and year

18107 ,

xkcd.com/1179/
1691579826

Kecessa ,

It think people didn’t get the joke

ArcticLynx ,

next gen American:

Klystron ,

Easiest is dd/mmm/yyyy. Use it for literally everything. Doesn’t work great on the computer but well enough.

OrangeXarot ,

mmm?

IWantToFuckSpez ,

Jan,Feb,Mar etc.

essteeyou ,

I think they either made a typo, or they meant like “Jan” “Feb” “Mar” etc.

Selmafudd ,

08.008.2028

johnthedoe ,

Covid year was about 120 months long instead of 12 so yea

newIdentity ,

It’s the standatized way to write the months in three letters. So Jan, Feb etc…

delvan ,

I like DDMMYY but for some reason when I include the time as ss:mm:hh nobody shows up to the event on time.

CIWS-30 ,

Going day to day, dd/mm/yyyy works, but for archival purposes and looking up stuff in the past, mm/dd/yyyy works better, imo. Like when you need to go through a physical file cabinet, or an electronic database.

Or you're the type of person who's zoned out all the time and don't even know what month it is until you look at a clock or calendar.

png ,

I just dont see why the hell you would switch? dd/mm works fibe in all situations and has some advantages sometimes, while mm/dd is fine sometimes, but generally worse or equal.

vrighter , (edited )

for archival purposes yyyymmdd is best. that way you can just sort lexicographically and it’ll also be sorted chronologically

tropicflite ,

08AUG2023 is about as unambiguous as it gets.

pjhenry1216 ,

Except it doesn't sort well in any fashion and it requires two different types of contexts to interpret. It's easier to screw up the order of a month by name than it is to screw up the order of a number. Not saying we should play to least common denominator, but we should be making it as easy as possible. I'd prefer sorting speed over needing to learn how to interpret the date correctly if every single date is stored the same way.

xrun_detected ,

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/056b362a-ee78-4750-8d0a-3c2289ac0114.png

nickwitha_k ,

No more comments necessary in this thread.

newIdentity ,

YYYY-MM-DD

Pinklink ,

Thaaaank you

kameecoding ,

Hungarians feeling superior with their YYYY.MM.DD fornat.

Although that’s not ideal for URLs

pseudonym ,

I believe this is still valid according to ISO 8601 so have an upvote. It also works fine in URLs after the host part.

ezures ,

If I had a forint for something matching order in Hungary and Japan, I would have 2 forints, which isn’t a lot but its weird it happened twice. (Its the order of names and dates)

KidsTryThisAtHome ,
@KidsTryThisAtHome@lemmy.world avatar

For history, sure, but for day to day stuff I think I can remember what year it is and don’t need it right at the front lol

MystikIncarnate ,

I use this for notes, and generally everything written; mainly for reference when looking back on old information. Today, whether I say Wednesday the 9th, or 2023-08-09, it’s fairly inconsequential, but in 2-3 years if I have to reference a note, email or something else where I said today’s date, I won’t have to compare the date of the note to the calendar for that time period to see which 9th was on a Wednesday.

Everything you do now becomes history, so adapting to this format makes it easier when today becomes your history.

NotYourSocialWorker ,

And programmers tend to go: “I don’t need to comment my code, I know what it does” 😂

JohnDClay , (edited )

But we read left to right and the most important part is furthest right hardest to read. It’s convenient for computers sorting alphabetically, but bad for people reading it.

geogle ,
@geogle@lemmy.world avatar

I tried reading your comment right to left and was left even more confused.

JohnDClay ,

now fixed sorry

verdigris ,

The most important part is the year.

JohnDClay ,

Why? The year changes least quickly, (especially the decade) so you can often infer without needing it.

verdigris ,

Because it’s the most significant. If it’s wrong or missing you’re off by much more than if the day or month is wrong.

JohnDClay ,

But that’s good, like a parity check. Because your wrong by much more, it’s easier to tell from context clues. That’s why people abbreviated the year to ‘in 98’ or something like that.

pseudonym ,

The same reason “one thousand” is written 1000 and not 0001

JohnDClay ,

Because that’s the way it’s said? Dates are spoken day month year. Because you go more specific to more general.

newIdentity ,

Depends on where you live

MystikIncarnate ,

Okay, hear me out.

With other numbers, non-date numbers, we put the numbers representing the most quantity to the left, and numbers representing the last quantity to the right, eg 1 hundred, ten and 1 would be 111, where the number representing 100 qty comes first from the left, and each position moving to the right, represents a smaller and smaller amount.

Since years are longer than months, which are longer than days, the YYYY-MM-DD format actually follows the same convention that we commonly use for all other numbering systems, big on the left, small on the right.

So why would the date be the exception?

nevial ,
@nevial@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Date aside, what’s going on with that " blank character " bullshit in the " question " ?

ForbiddenRoot ,

To eliminate this confusion I propose the days of the month should start from 13.

jimmux ,

Do we really even need months? They don’t even line up with the lunar cycle like they pretend to do.

Just give us Year/Day. On leap years we get an extra long New Year holiday.

kool_newt ,

I say we force them to be alphabetical.

Anuary Bebuary Carch Dapril

renlok ,

Unix timestamp for me thanks.

kool_newt ,

I only understand time in reference to Jan 1, 1970.

renlok ,

Time did not exist before this date

packardgoose ,

I’d have to say April 25th because it’s not too hot, not too cold. All you need is a light jacket.

csolisr , (edited )

Tired: ISO date format

Wired: milliseconds since the Unix Epoch

Galactic brain: Planck time units since the Big Bang

PlexSheep ,
@PlexSheep@feddit.de avatar

Impractical waste of computing power and information storage

ezures ,

Also almost killed all computing in y2k

csolisr ,

Not if you encode it using an exponent. One Planck time unit is roughly 1.8 x 10^-43^ seconds, so with an exponent of 2^128^ (roughly 3.4 x 10^38^) you could write a second as 54510 x 2^128^ TP

csolisr ,

Another fun fact, 2^128+32^ Planck time units are about 21 hours

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