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tkk13909 ,

There’s a “Vote No on Ranked Choice Voting” sign on my way to work.

EmpathicVagrant ,

Someone just needs to paint over the word ‘no’

jaggedrobotpubes ,

Someone’s unwillingness to implement an effective solution doesn’t make an ineffective solution the answer.

The way forward on this is hounding them until they implement it, not fighting the math:

youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

If a solution doesn’t have a realistic path to implementation, it doesn’t matter. The system itself is designed against change, RCV is something neither party actually wants.

Some few Democrats or states are allowed to support it as far as it gives RCV supporters some semblence of power, without actually pressuring the system.

Even if RCV was implemented, and a Third Party candidate won, the 2 establishment parties would work against any radical change.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

Isn't what they established in Alaska thanks in large part to democrats???

Ragdoll_X , (edited )
@Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world avatar

Kinda ironic I saw this post right after this other one lol: Three Democrats Re-Introduce Bill That Would Bring Ranked Choice Voting to Congressional Elections Across America

bastion ,

Those three Democrat are focusing on the thing all of the Democrats and Republicans should.

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

The Dems will preserve a political model that’s at least malleable. 3rds will need to work together to push ranked choice more and more into voters’ field of view.

Republicans will swan-dive into fascism, in which case 3rds (and everyone else) are fucked.

Dems aren’t going to help 3rds directly, but any one who wants the possibility of a 3rd party victory later is committing political suicide by failing to vote blue as a means of buying time. Voting 3rd when that 3rd has no potential for victory is self-destructive.

NauticalNoodle , (edited )

The Dems will preserve a political model that’s at least malleable.

Much like during covid when they gave preferential treatment to themselves while simultaneously working to remove the Green party from ballots.

-More to the point your comment runs contrary to reality and the very nature of the joke pointed out in the meme.

Skyrmir ,

The green party only exists because the GOP keeps giving them money. The only time anyone ever hears a damn word out of them, is when they’re showing up to split the Dem vote for the GOP.

Linkerbaan OP , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

You might want lay off the Blue MAGA conspiracies for a bit.

Commission certifies Jill Stein eligible to receive federal matching funds (2024)

Based on documents received on June 3, 2024, Jill Stein and Jill Stein for President 2024 (JSFP) fulfilled the agreement and certification requirements and contributions

To become eligible for matching funds, candidates must submit Candidate and Committee Agreements and Certifications as well as raise a threshold amount of $100,000 by collecting $5,000 in 20 different states in amounts no greater than $250 from any individual.

Also the entire Democratic party runs on AIPAC which is actually funded by Republicans. Dems reaching unprecedented levels of projection.

mashbooq ,

Blue MAGA

Lol. Lmao, even

Linkerbaan OP ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

When everything Democrats don’t like is a Russian GOP state agent because someone drew some text on an image and they did zero fact checking, you know they’ve reached MAGA levels.

If any of these insane conspiracies were actually true the Green party would not even be allowed to run. The Democrats have done everything to try to concern troll the Greens off ballots in most “democratic” fashion.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Some will at small, minor levels, but never enough to cause a serious threat. It’s like how it’s socially permissible and legal to make worker co-operatives and the like, the fact that it’s non-threatening to the status quo keeps it a useful carrot that will never arrive at a scale that causes drastic change.

Euphorazine , (edited )

Alaska, a red state, is reportedly trying to remove their rank choice voting. This isn’t a “Dems” problem, it’s a two party problem.

ballotpedia.org/Alaska_Ballot_Measure_2,_Repeal_T…

Even if state and local elections are ranked choice, the presidential election will still be a first past the post election and the electoral college is still designed for a two party system.

antmzo220 , (edited )

Alaska, a red state, is reportedly trying to remove their rank choice voting. This isn’t a “Dems” problem, it’s a two party problem.

This is a counter to the Democratic party supporters you see everywhere who always get irrationally upset at third party voters, not about Republicans.

The point is, if the Democratic party never plan to address it, then how will it ever get done through voting Dem? The same goes for all the other issues people claim we should ignore in the name of “vote blue no matter who”, including their genocide.

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

So don’t participate in the system, got it. Just stay home and give up on Democracy.

antmzo220 , (edited )

So just accept your place in a broken system, got it. Just go support more increasingly right wing fascist policies and give up on any hope for Democracy.*

Pure strawman.

Pretty sure voting for a write in candidate/third party is, by definition, participating in the system.

You just accept the system is broken and undemocratic and believe others should accept this as well and give up.

You are more devoted to “order” than to justice; you prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; you constantly say “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; you paternalistically believe you can set the timetable on progress and constantly advise the progressive to to wait for a “more convenient season”.

You are the “white moderate” MLK warned of, as is the vast majority of the party, though not for long, as the party increasingly seeks the support of the right to avoid allowing any policy victory for the left.

You are increasingly the Republican party of Cheney, as demonstrated by, not only his support for the party, but by the party and Kamala herself touting the endorsement, rather than ignoring it/distancing themselves.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Do you think voting is the entirety of political expression for the working class?

venusaur ,
@venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

It is a two party problem but dems and their cult-like followers act like the politicians they worship can do no wrong. Both parties are businesses and that’s it.

GarbageShootAlt2 ,

Obviously the Republicans are completely hostile to rcv, but the nominal progressives here aren’t hoping the Republicans will implement rcv, they think Dems will. I have someone arguing exactly that to me in another thread because three congresspeople are currently setting a proposal up to be shot down.

echo ,

No, and it’s stupid to suggest they would.

MyPornViewingAccount ,

Whos this then?

…house.gov/…/raskin-beyer-welch-bill-would-bring-…

nondescripthandle ,

I bet dems would be more open to ranked choice if more people voted for third parties, because as long as the population believes they must vote Democrat or Republican and no one else, neither of those parties have any incentive to change. If lesser evilism stops getting people to vote for the two ruling parties, then there would be incentive for them to change. Short of that you’re relying on politicians to do the right thing instead of the profitable thing, which is a fools game.

KoboldCoterie ,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

The problem is really that republicans keep putting up the worst possible candidates and policies. If the choice was “A sort of bad candidate or another sort of bad candidate”, we’d all happily vote third party and if the slightly-worse-but-not-appreciably-so candidate won as a result, it wouldn’t be a huge hurdle and over a few election cycles we could maybe effect change.

Instead, in that scenario, it leads to Trump and Project 2025 and I’d love to hear your explanation of how that helps us get progressive candidates into office, because I just don’t see it.

I’m a “single issue voter” and that “single issue” is that I don’t want another Trump presidency, so I’ll vote strategically to prevent that from happening, even if I’d much rather have someone else.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You do realize that that’s why the DNC is currently getting away scot-free with genocide, right? Is there a line in the sand somewhere for you?

Dagwood222 ,

New York City established Ranked Choice voting in 2020 under a Dem Mayor and majority Dem City Council.

antmzo220 , (edited )

Alaska has a Republican Governor along with a Republican Majority in the house and Senate, they have no restrictions on abortion.

Does this mean the Republican party is pro-choice or that by voting Republican we can secure abortion rights? The answer is no.

Dagwood222 ,

Does this mean that by voting Republican we can secure abortion rights? The answer is no.

Actually, by your own post, in Alaska it does.

Corvid ,

lemm.ee/post/42289858

Linkerbaan OP , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

This is a few people not the party as a whole.

Notably there is a platform out there for the Democratic candidate. Unless I missed something RCV is not on the agenda.

Psychodelic ,

Do those goalposts have little feet on them?

“Democrats wouldn’t do this”

Democrats do this

“No, not like that”

Look, I said it in a dumb meme format so you know it’s true

(I appreciate you for posting here, just making fun of you 😊)

Linkerbaan OP , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

This is like saying Republicans oppose sending weapons to israel because Thomas Massie exists.

The meme says implement. If you think a small minority of a party can implement RCV you don’t understand how the system works.

Especially if you actually look into what was linked and see that this is not the first time. The Democratic party has already shot it down in the past.

nondescripthandle ,

So three of the more than 250 elected democrats are trying, not for the first time by the way, to get the rest of their party to take it seriously. Talk to me when more than 2% of the Democrats do something about it because otherwise its basically just a platitude.

Rhaedas ,

Bills are often started by one or a few people to get voted on by others. It will be resisted, but not by the side that would do well with a ranked choice with other left-sided third parties.

nondescripthandle ,

That would make more sense if this was their first time putting this bill forward, but it’s not. They’ve tried this before and none of the other Democrats could be chuffed to stand behind it. This isn’t new.

Rhaedas ,

Bills don't often get passed on the first try. If anything you should be critical that this is only the second time, it ought to be a constant attempt to change a system that seemingly everyone not making a profit from is against. I'll also say that the only way anything like this will get passed is through the left, the right does not want everyone to get a vote. So it will likely fail again somewhere unless the ratio of left-right shifts. As is true of any bills that favor the public good.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Meaningful RCV implementation and meaningful gun control in the US are like talking about alien contact. Fun to talk about, but it’s not going to happen in any of our lifetimes.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

To be fair, the US Empire is likely to collapse in our lifetimes, so meaningful gun control and RCV may be a part of whatever replaces the US Empire.

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