Why do so many people dislike Apple? I have listed some of my problems with Apple (listed in no particular order):
Keyboard layout
I fundamentally disagree with FaceID and would prefer a fingerprint sensor
Lack of customisation (you can’t even hide the finder on MacOS)
Apple makes it really difficult for people to leave their ecosystem
However, I really don’t understand why people, ordinary people, dislike Apple, other than due to being overpriced. I mean I really think physical SIM cards are a thing of the past and less secure than eSIMs since you can’t just take a physical SIM out using a pin. Although I heavily dislike the provisioning of USB 2.0 in 2024, the reality is that most of my files, even on my Android device, are transferred via networks. And yes, for the point about battery, I don’t particularly care about the battery size as much as I do the battery life. Even then, I always have a charger in my bag. It also helps that I barely use my phone.
Once again, keep in mind this is from someone whose only Apple product is a Macbook.
I can understand hating on Apple as a company, I was furious at how long they took to throw USB-C on things, however, often times people provide arguments that are baseless, as are several “points” listed in this image.
Who cares about a physical capture button? Any professional required to use a camera for a living will not be using an iPhone. Who cares about physical SIM vs eSIM. Hell, I’m an advocate for eSIMs. Who cares about the unlockable bootloader? And really, with modern consumerism, who on earth is listening to hi-res wireless audio and not a song off of Spotify, YouTube, etc?
I agree with the 120 Hz point, there is no reason a flagship phone at a a flagship price should not provide a smooth refresh rate. I partially agree with the storage point, however, the vast majority of people do not take advantage of their phone’s storage, so why would Apple be competitive here? They try to optimise for profit. I definitely agree with the point about the lack of modern USB. The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack kinda sucks for everyone who owns devices that cannot be used with phones without this jack.
I’m opening to listening to other people’s takes and discussing this with them.
you can optimize your android device battery in ways iphones cant. For example you cant disable or remove any system app consuming your battery in iPhones, but that is instantly doable in Androids
A 4Ah battery at 5V would be a 20Wh battery, drop the kilo. Electronics draw power at idle, not energy. 2kWh is meaningless without an idle duration. What are you saying?
Wh may be better for determining total energy storage across differing cell chemistry. mAh is standard for electronics and makes more sense at the design level as the battery voltage is chemistry dependent and known to the designer.
i don’t think any manufacturer publishes the voltage their devices run at, could be anywhere from 3.3 to 5V. so i don’t know how an end-user is supposed to compare battery sizes between devices.
They would also have to give current draw which isn’t really possible since each end user has different apps and behavior. So you more often get standby time or video playback time which are based on an “ideal” (probably non-bloated) clean OS. That’s more useful to an end user but also subject to marketing fudging the figures.
You can often look up the battery chemistry or use an app to access sensors btw.
At the end of the day battery capacity is only one factor of many in battery/charge life and is generally just marketing in the context of phones.
You have not even touched how limited iOS is compared to Android. I can list over 50 things any 2015 Android can do which iPhone 16 can’t. You basically have no control over anything in iPhone while in any Android even without rooting you control what every app access and how it’s allowed to work or at all. I was not even referring to customized OSes like graphene or calyos which give higher level of control.
Dont get up from Google only to jump on Apple’s balls.
Also your point is not valid because degoogling is possible with androids, but you can’t deapple an iphone. And btw many custom OSes dont require anything google no appstore or nothing. So what you’re complaining about has been solved and already out there
Funnily enough, I’ve got a few friends who are long time iPhone users, who actually point this stuff out themselves:
“OMG! Have you seen the eye watering price of the new one?”
“Yay, I finally get stuff you’ve had for years.”
Neither party would ever consider anything else, and they both buy the new model every year. 🤷
At this point I admit that my reasons for choosing Android all those years ago no longer exist or matter, but I can’t imagine changing ecosystem either.
Not to be an unfunny nitpicker (I don’t know why I’m denying this, that kinda the whole point), but all iphones do have lossless audio streaming via AirPlay. I’m assuming that you specifically meant Bluetooth streaming, but then you should’ve said so. Furthermore, normal aptx isn’t high resolution, only aptx HD and aptx adaptive are. The phone does support aptx HD as well, but once again, you could’ve said so from the start (though 3 characters more or less might make a significant difference to most memes, this one certainly wouldn’t have had that problem)
It was fun before… like 20 years ago. Now it’s just… eh. Apple users don’t care about any of that. They want a device that “just works” and has their ecosystem. They’re trapped in it, but eh, what’s the point. They aren’t going to convert, and after converting some people you learn you just become tech support for them.
Seriously, does anyone think Apple users care about unlocked bootloaders and LDAC codecs? They want whatever the new iOS features are and their AirPods to work seamlessly.
I have an Android phone and an iPhone, and they both do pretty much the same thing. I can do some things with Android that iOS can’t, but it’s nothing an average user couldn’t do without, or even know they’re missing.
To be fair i do care quite a bit about that. Phones just make bad computers to me. Small screen and half is used by a keyboard.
They seem designed to frustrate me so “it just works (most times)” is the only way i can stomach owning one.
I have a dream where apple is forced to make ios fully open source and where screen/input devices can freely stream any system/OS from a dedicated server.
Iphones are so “cleverly” dumb it makes them usable.
I think even the average users are becomming aware because of how inferior iOS is. For example, all these things I’m going to mention below are doable on any Android (no root or bootloader required) since 2015 or even older versions while iPhone cant do shit:
iPhone cant temporarily disable apps, can’t prevent apps from using networks, cant disable system apps, cant open multi apps in mutli windows, cant location spoof, cant disable any system app or feature, cant customize themes or control anything in comparison.
Yes but 99.9% of users don’t care about any of that, that’s what others were saying in this conversation.
Just to bring my personal pov: I’m a tech guy and I couldn’t care less about any of those features. My phone is an appliance like my dishwasher, i only need it to do well the few things it does for me and the iPhone does them incredibly well. Productivity work and fun is done on real computers. I don’t care if android phones can purr or do somersaults.
If you like to do complicated stuff on your phone then those things matter to you and you will deem iOS inferior, and that’s fine. But realise you are planets away from the average user.
I‘ve used Android and iPhones for multiple years. Now I am using an iPhone and I am very happy. Main reasons are build quality and software. It just works. And the main advantage is primarily if you use multiple Apple devices. And since Android phones are expensive as fuck, too, I don’t care about the price anymore
Except when the shitty ecosystem fucks with everyone else. Eg. when trying to get files from an iOS device to another phone. You need to use 3rd party software, which is almost exclusively shit on iOS and (at least in my school) no iPad kiddie managed to use local file sharing websites. The real kicker? Sharing stuff from the teachers iPad to the students does not work reliably either. Never. 20 students, and Apple can’t manage to transport shit. We resorted to uploading it to Teams - so much for Apple’s nice ecosystem for easily sharing files, which ends up taking 15+ Minutes.
This isnt elitism, this is trying to show apple users they are being scammed. Sure, most of them are happy that way, but maybe some of us should have higher standards for ourselves
It looks deleted to me, I am using Voyager when I am on my phone, so a well known app, I suspect that the comment I wrote made it to the sync queue, I then immediately deleted the comment, which deleted it on lemmy.zip but didn’t clear the comment from the sync queue, but did generate a delete request to be synced.
Then as a sync request probably would be smaller than a comment and probably has a higher priority than a comment, it got processed before the comment was posted, creating the situation we have.
I have no indepth understanding of lemmy, but as an IT guy, this makes sense
How would one go about reading the logs on how federation worked in this case? I’m thinking lemmy.ml either missed it did not honor the delete from lemmy.zip
This is happened to me before. I’ve noticed a delay in the federation such that sometimes comments recently deleted will still get votes or replies for a time. I speculate it’s because the deletion doesn’t get processed until the comment has finished being shared with other instances.
By adding ‘this misses the point’ at the beginning you yourself made this a debate about the post, not your preference. You can spend whatever you want on stuff you want, but many people arent aware that apple is charging them twice what the device is worth, just because of their monopoly, and that was the point.
I like the idea of Android stealing enough market share that Apple is forced to be more open.
The one that really blew my mind was the Find My network. Android tried to cooperate with Apple, and Apple stalled and dragged it out until Android gave up.
The effect was that Android got “Find My” about a year later than it would have otherwise, and the networks won’t be compatible. But isn’t Find My network compatibility relatively better for Apple? At worst there are places where Android and Apple devices split market share evenly. In most of the world, Android has the larger network/market share. Apple was willing to sacrifice that win to stall Android rolling out a major feature for a year.