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dosuser123456 ,
@dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

my recommendation: a second-hand, 16 year old acer aspire one that runs windows xp, ms-dos and the 32bit version of puppylinux…if it works it works. (yeah its just my setup)

been working flawlessly on original hardware since 2008

i even play games and make music on that thing

bobslaede , (edited )

I have got so many used ThinkPads. Everyone in my house has one.

SpaceNoodle ,

Can I have one

gregor ,

Me too plz

nichtburningturtle ,
@nichtburningturtle@feddit.org avatar

Can I have one IBM ThinkPad 701 it’s old and it’s not like you’re using it anyways.

bobslaede ,

You get a ThinkPad! And you get a ThinkPad! Everyone gets a ThinkPad! :oprah_wave:

jamyang ,

Step 1: You marry him

linkhidalgogato ,

as cool as they are the last time a good thinkpad came out was over a decade ago, so u are either just buying a normal laptop same quality as all the others or something so old its basically useless. They arent even cheap anymore cuz everyone wants them, its time to face reality refurbished thinkpads are no longer what they were they are no longer a good deal nor particularly good quality, u would probably be better off buying some random gaming laptop most of them are pretty well put together, easy to take apart and upgradable tho thick and heavy.

Persen ,

Some gaming laptops are good, but others are just as crappy as normal laptops. New smaller thinkpads are still good enough, if you need a small laptop.

EvolvedTurtle ,

I have a decent gaming laptop It’s a pain in the ass for collage tho I didn’t buy it for collage but I also can’t really afford to buy something else

It’s too big and the battery life sucks

Basically the least portable laptop

Persen , (edited )

Laptops can be compared to cars, you can buy an economical car (with higher range and lower costs, but less power) or a sporscar/muscle car (terrible economy, loud, but higher performance)

AdrianTheFrog ,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

yea, thinkpads aren’t the only laptops that can be bought used

monsterpiece42 ,

This simply isn’t true. They are still cheap even for decent stuff. I got a T15 Gen 2 when it was 2.5yrs old for about $400 on eBay. You’re not going to get an even remotely decent laptop in most cases for that kind of money. And to be clear, I love old Thinkpads. I have them going back to the IBM days.

Modern Thinkpads: -easy to work on -plenty fast for most things -still made of the carbon composite and magnesium chassis we like -hinges are beefy -upgradeable ram -available with GPU -lighter and easier to daily than any of the old chonks -replaceable keyboard, track pad and track point, and fingerprint -dual thunderbolt connection (and docks are stupid cheap… I find them for $30 sometimes)

Downsides exist but they’re not the end of the world: -one drive slot (drives are huge now, who cares) -8gb of RAM is soldered but the rest is not (max 40gb) -internal battery but laptop is faster and has better battery life than my maxed out T580

Trainguyrom ,

refurbished thinkpads are no longer what they were they are no longer a good deal nor particularly good quality

Off-lease enterprise laptops are generally the best deals available for a good laptop for not too much cash. When you can get something 3-5 years old for 1/3 the price of a brand new laptop and know it still has quite a bit of life left, its hard to beat.

devfuuu ,

Thinkpads were never cheap around here. Asus are cheap. The quality is many orders of different.

billgamesh ,

Depends on what you do. my daily driver is a $20 x200. works great for my needs. But I don’t game

PotatoesFall ,

Good luck opening more than like 5 browser windows on those old thinkpads

pimeys ,

The refurbished thinkpads you find are usually three years old after the companies who lease them buy new ones for the users.

You can do a lot of things with a three year old thinkpad…

PotatoesFall ,

ah fair enough, my bad, I thought people are always talking about the older style thinkpad

Vuraniute ,
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

here it’s typically early-to-mid 2010s thinkpads being sold, so you’re probably getting a laptop with horrible performance

Trainguyrom ,

4th and 6th gen intel isn’t too bad yet (which would be early 2010s), especially for a Linux desktop/laptop. I wouldn’t go older than that just because 4th and 6th gen is so readily available for so cheap, but they certainly aren’t anywhere near e-waste yet. Mid-2010s would be more like 7th-9th gen Intel which is newer than all but one of the computers in my home.

I literally use a laptop with a mobile i7-6700 as a daily web browsing computer (and I tend to keep over a hundred tabs open) and really don’t feel any slowness. I’ve got a desktop with an i5-4590 running 5 different Minecraft servers (a couple of which have over 300 mods running) plus most of my homelab services as well. They’re not for the graveyard yet!

https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/7dedc558-fc62-41d3-b2db-f203530bfae7.png

Vuraniute ,
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

well, the i5-5300u definitely is, at least for my use cases. it took so long to compile a diesel-actix rust project that the battery died before it finished (it was at 100%), and it can’t even run fucking Minecraft. even a raspberry pi can run Minecraft!

Trainguyrom ,

it took so long to compile a diesel-actix rust project that the battery died before it finished

Wait why are you compiling on battery?

and it can’t even run fucking Minecraft.

In what way? My wife plays minecraft with several hundred mods on a (desktop) i5-4560 and I have 5 Minecraft servers running on a desktop i5-4590, and I’ve played plenty of Minecraft on my laptop with a i7-6700u (vanilla, lightly modded, heavily modded, etc.) so I’m confused by what you mean by “can’t run Minecraft”

Vuraniute , (edited )
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

Wait why are you compiling on battery?

power strip died and i hadn’t realised.

In what way? My wife plays minecraft with several hundred mods on a (desktop) i5-4560

different cpu. I’m talking about the i5-5300U specifically. Not some other i5 of the era. Also, this doesn’t really matter but you’re addressing 4th and 6th gen, while the i5-5300U is, obviously, 5th gen.

Trainguyrom ,

Yes it is a different CPU, of almost the exact same age and architecture. I don’t have a 5300u otherwise I’d be able to compare directly. I’m pointing to similar processors (remember this was about the time that Intel stagnated. They didn’t improve much from Haswell (4th gen) until about Coffee Lake, and kept continuously refreshing Skylake (6th gen) for years. By memory 5th gen was just rebadged Haswell as well) I do have that I have relevant experience with.

On the Minecraft front I don’t think it’s the processor, I suspect you either have a configuration issue, or a thermal budget limitation. I had a Ryzen laptop that was really good, except it did not have the thermal capacity to maintain a workload, and would throttle itself all the way down to 600Mhz if I was doing something CPU and GPU intensive for a long time (such as running a bunch of VMs and trying to browse the web while using an external monitor)

Vuraniute ,
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

had a Ryzen laptop that was really good, except it did not have the thermal capacity to maintain a workload, and would throttle itself all the way down to 600Mhz

something something NBLK-WAX9X.

I don’t think it’s the processor, I suspect you either have a configuration issue, or a thermal budget limitation.

i have no idea what it is. I have tried everything.

Trainguyrom ,

something something NBLK-WAX9X.

It was actually a midrange HP provided by my school when I went back to college. Super sucked trying to build a virtual Windows domain while in a zoom class and waiting forever while it struggled with the sustained workload and kept thermal throttling lower and lower and lower…

i have no idea what it is. I have tried everything.

I’m not sure what to tell you on Linux since I’ve never had good luck monitoring throttling on processors on Linux, but I was just watching it in Task Manager (again, school laptop) and saw the integrated graphics temperatures get pretty high (>90C) then the CPU start throttling down lower and lower until I either gave up or it got down to ~600Mhz

Vuraniute ,
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

It was actually a midrange HP provided by my school

no i was actually referencing a laptop I had that did just that.

I’m not sure what to tell you on Linux since I’ve never had good luck monitoring throttling on processors on Linux,

Yeah, I’m starting to believe it’s thermal throttling too. Perhaps watch -n1 sensors in one terminal window and watch -n.1 “grep ”^[c]pu MHz" /proc/cpuinfo" in another?

Vuraniute , (edited )
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

UPDATE (putting this in a separate reply so you’ll see it): So I just dusted the laptop again, it actually performs somewhat well, turns out my first pass where I also changed the thermal paste didn’t get all the dust.

EDIT: This probably won’t hold, I’ve been seeing some γαμάτα deals for newer ThinkPads here lately.

Trainguyrom ,

Hey glad to hear it! The longer any computer can have a useful life the better!

uis ,

You can install linux on it, you know? Everyone installs linux on thinkpads, you know?

Mangoholic ,

I got unbuntu on my xiaomi notebook with a nice oled screen. It worked almost immediately. Easier install then windows. I chose Ubuntu as my first linux because of lots of support.

Persen ,

As far as I heard, their designs are similar to macbooks, are the keyboards as terrible?

Mangoholic ,

I think its a preference, I prefer the keyboard over mac. But the build quality and hardware is just really good for the price.

Persen ,

So all the qualities of XM phones and no drawbacks, like miui and official software support? Great.

vga ,

I have a Framework and it beats the shit out of every Lenovo I have ever used.

uis ,

Thinkpad not always was lenovo

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Are you trying to say that the Thinkpad line was owned by IBM in the 90’s? Because…so what?

Vuraniute , (edited )
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

I was originally planning on getting a Surface Pro 11 or other ARM laptop as my next laptop, but one day I was thinking about an old CLEVO P150HM1 which tore everything apart, and outperforms my 2015 T450, while being made in 2009. Needless to say, I got a lot more tolerant of the idea of buying an X86 laptop as my new laptop. I also realised that the price range an SP11 involved also allowed for a Framework Laptop 13. I’m saying all this to not conflict with the rest of my comment history, but in summary: Long live the Framework!

EDIT: This probably won’t happen, I’ve been seeing some γαμάτα deals for newer ThinkPads here lately.

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Lol ok enjoy your lenovobios and being trapped on x86 forever

uis ,

Thinkpad not always was lenovo’s

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

My oldest Thinkpad I still own is an X60, and other than the hardware problems, the plastic on the thing is becoming so old it’s brittle and breaks every time you try to take the thing apart. I love it and my T60p dearly, but they’re past their final days.

tempest ,

If you know anything about Lenovo you would know that if ARM laptops started to have high market share they would have like 35 mediocre models on offer in a year.

Some of the think pad lines are still good but their consumer offerings and a couple of the think pad lines are trash.

lud ,

What’s wrong with x86 all of a sudden?

ARM is still pretty damn experimental compared to x86.

toastal ,

Bullshit mostly. x86 is fine & has been getting a lot more power efficient (if you can get a work day’s worth of power, you have met the benchmark). Wake me up when RISC-V is here.

where_am_i ,

buy any AMD laptop, replace the wifi card, install your favorite distro and it will run like magic.

You get a new, capable, and power-efficient device, while not bothering with damn old ThinkPads or giving insane amount of money to s76.

Vuraniute ,
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

until it gets completely fucked due to a form-over-function cooling system and hits 101C (NBLK-WAX9X)

MonkderVierte ,

Thermal pads might help.

Vuraniute ,
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

…because HUAWEI doesn’t ship their laptops with thermal paste, apparently.

where_am_i ,

Power governor on balanced and somehow I’m at like 60c. Power governor on battery saving and it’s like 45c. Sometimes it cools passively. This is not sh1ntel.

Vuraniute ,
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

my experience: power governor on balanced and somehow i’m at like 90c.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

why replace the wifi? i find the amd (mediatek?) cards work well enough.

stephen01king ,

It works well enough if you don’t mind the occasional disconnect and slow connection to wifi, which is true for a lot of people like me. It’s still pretty annoying to deal with sometimes, just not enough to go replace the WiFi card or anything.

where_am_i ,

AMD laptops almost always ship with mediatek wifi cards. Cuz the alternative is intel, and I guess that’s not cool with AMD.

But mediatek’s wifi cards are a steaming pile of bovine excrement. Bluetooth issues, wifi dropouts, drivers not being mature until a year after the release.

Save your self the pain, buy an Intel wifi card for 20$ and upgrade it right after you bought the laptop. Might as well add RAM and storage. Takes an hour of work, 20 minutes of which is watching a YT video on how to do it.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

35 of the remaining 40.is fucking with those tiny ass antenna connectors and wishing you’d never even bothered with the damn thing

cqst ,
@cqst@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Dell E6400 can be flashed with libreboot without tools and is easily obtainable from Ebay.

libreboot.org

sloppy_diffuser , (edited )

My work laptop is a Dell Precision. It was a “data science” model that came with Ubuntu. Wiped Dell’s modified Ubuntu and put vanilla Ubuntu on it and now running Nixos. Works great. There was a weird period when using triple monitors with their dock had an intermittent issue on boot where resolutions and monitors were not being detected. Cause was Nvidia drivers. It eventually got resolved and it was easy enough to rollback the drivers to one that worked.

buddascrayon ,

Cause was Nvidia drivers.

This should be on a t-shirt

emergencyfood OP ,

The older models were also very repairable and customisable. Most newer ones aren’t. This is a problem for some users.

toastal ,

None of these have an OLED or DCI-P3 coverage so… pass

uis ,

It seems there are OLED panels you can just buy and install into framework.

toastal ,

It looks all theoretical—you could say similar about any laptop at that rate of buying a random panel & popping it in while praying it works. If you don’t have a plan for the original panel, congrats: you created e-waste since the OEM isn’t selling what you need. Maybe they should just offer a tested version since there is obvious demand.

JokeDeity ,

So is shooting a new event in the Olympics? Why haven’t we gotten these kind of badass pictures before this year?

Omniraptor , (edited )

in 2021 (and 2016) we had a Russian woman wearing a witcher pendant everyone liked.

reddit.com/…/this_russian_shooter_has_a_witcher_m…

uis ,

Oh, great.

Omniraptor ,

🤨

NOPper ,

Maybe I’m missing something, but I finally retired my old laptop for a ThinkPad X13 a few weeks ago and it’s been perfect for my use case. Build quality is solid, battery life is alright, it’s small and light, and everything worked out of the box with the preinstalled Ubuntu. After testing it all I slapped EndeavourOS in there and have had zero issues. Specs are solid and I got it for like $1200. Even the AMD integrated graphics are punching way above what I expected.

Just curious about what folks are complaining about with the newer Lenovo models.

DogWater ,

Fwiw this meme isn’t piling on any Lenovo Thinkpad hate you’ve seen if I understand it correctly (which I may not)

MutilationWave ,

You could buy a nice gaming laptop for that price. I thought the appeal of think pads was that you buy an old one cheap. It’s just me I guess but I don’t enjoy using them.

NOPper ,

Maybe I could, but I’m not using it for gaming so battery life, portability, and fan noise don’t have to be sacrificed for a few more FPS when I wanna play something light on the road.

The Tim Taylor approach to hardware was great when I was a kid, less so in my 40s looking to do some moderate coding and radio projects on the road away from my massively overbuilt gaming rig I already own. This lil guy checks all those boxes. I was just wondering what specific hate there was on newer models.

nehal3m ,

Old ThinkPads, the poor man’s Framework.

uis ,

Rather proto-Framework

737 ,

are pinebooks even meant for regular use?

uis ,

Opensource chromebooks. Yep.

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