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Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I hate that this is true, plus he’s already said he would “take the best of the left and the best of the right” as some nonsense enlightened centrist candidate.

ryannathans ,

What’s wrong with that?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s centrist nonsense, if someone says a waterfall flows downstream and someone else says the waterfall flows upstream, that doesn’t mean the waterfall is stagnant, or that the person who said it flows upstream has a good point.

The left and right aren’t arbitrary collections of disorganized and incoherent positions you can combine ad-hoc.

SchmidtGenetics ,

Your comment makes it seem like there can only be two sides, that’s the entire issue with the US democracy from an outsider, where’s the other parties? Why only two, and why are you defending that there should be only two on divided lines?

Cowbee ,
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I’m not talking about parties.

SchmidtGenetics , (edited )

And neither are they, so what’s your point? They’re just saying that both sides have good points, and they’re the “party” that will get what the nation wants done. Is trying to do what the nation wants as whole centrist to you? Or are trying to smear someone who doesn’t align fully with you? That’s the issue that they are also trying to bring to light, you are saying there is sides, there shouldn’t be… since to be centrist requires sides… or parties… you’ve no contradicted yourself in your explanation.

What’s centrist about that? I think you’re just reading way too far into this or trying to make it into something it’s not. Both sides have points, both are wrong, and you’re trying to decry someone saying this. That’s frankly wrong dude.

There shouldn’t be sides, and that makes centralism impossible, it’s only possible with the two party system.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

They’re just saying that both sides have good points

Which is wrong. What “good points” do right-wingers legitimately have?

Is trying to do what the nation wants as whole centrist to you?

Saying “both sides have good points” places a mystical property on whatever is in the middle, as though the middle is inherently correct.

You’re batting a bit too hard for someone that thinks correct answers come from finding the midpoint. If someone says 2+2=4, and someone else says 2+2=6, the answer is still 4, not 5.

SchmidtGenetics ,

Which is wrong. What “good points” do right-wingers legitimately have?

This is why US politics are wild.

Saying “both sides have good points” places a mystical property on whatever is in the middle, as though the middle is inherently correct.

And you’re saying only the left is right in both of your statements, obviously you aren’t impartial and have a bias, as pointed out in my previous comment

You’re batting a bit too hard for someone that thinks correct answers come from finding the midpoint. If someone says 2+2=4, and someone else says 2+2=6, the answer is still 4, not 5.

That is some fallacious strawmanning right there, you’re saying only one side can be right, that’s not someone who is willing to have a discussion, you’re obviously just throwing shit at anything you don’t agree with.

Which is the entire point of his joke running, it’s hilarious that you can’t see this, but not surprising since you think there’s only one party. This is American politics people.

Cowbee ,
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This is why US politics are wild….

This isn’t unique to the US. The US did not invent the concept of a midpoint.

And you’re saying only the left is right in both of your statements, obviously you aren’t impartial and have a bias, as pointed out in my previous comment

I never said I wasn’t biased. Of course I am biased, I am biased because I have a coherent worldview and set of values that aligns to the left.

That is some fallacious strawmanning right there, you’re saying only one side can be right, that’s not someone who is willing to have a discussion, you’re obviously just throwing shit at anything you don’t agree with.

Generally, yes, there is a correct side.

Which is the entire point of his joke running, it’s hilarious that you can’t see this, but not surprising since you think there’s only one party. This is American politics people.

Not sure where you got the idea that I think there’s only one party, but keep cooking, it’s funny lol

SchmidtGenetics ,

This isn’t unique to the US. The US did not invent the concept of a midpoint.

What other countries have a two party democracy? And what other countries smear the other parties to the degree of US politics?

I get you have an axe to grind, but I said I was an outsider, how am I supposed to know one side is right and one side is wrong? If one is right and one is wrong, that really only makes one party now doesn’t it? You seem to want to point out math to others, but have an issue understanding it yourself.

Feathercrown ,

I get the sense that you don’t follow politics super often… if you’re an outsider, I understand that “you must be biased to say that only one side has any good points” seems like the obviously correct position, but trust me, it’s not. Don’t attack people who have spent time in politics and developed a more accurate viewpoint just because it’s counterintuitive.

SchmidtGenetics ,

I don’t follow US politics* since I don’t live there……

But the issue is uniquely American, maybe you need to follow other countries politics more to see how flawed yours is?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

What other countries have a two party democracy?

Again, when did I mention parties? You keep bringing them up when nobody else did.

If one is right and one is wrong, that really only makes one party now doesn’t it?

You’re confusing concepts like leftism and rightism with parties. Parties can have incoherent collections of ideas, they usually serve their donors alone.

You seem to want to point out math to others, but have an issue understanding it yourself.

I’m just fine, thank you.

SchmidtGenetics ,

You’ve mentioned left and right, are those not the party lines? You can’t claim you’re not mentioning parties when you’ve only done it using different terms in every comment. You can’t have someone who is “centrist” in democracies with more than 2 candidates, it’s a uniquely US issue, especially with the smear campaigns instead of actual politics.

I mean you described them that way, and you’re using them to describe the two different parties. Claiming otherwise is asinine. If they aren’t parties, and they aren’t sides, then what are they?

Without parties or sides, you can have left, right, or center. I’m sorry you got called out on this and are now flinging shit and making yourself look like biased bigot.

Now can you answer my questions or are you just going to deflect because you can’t answer simple questions without decrying people who don’t align politically with you…?

Cowbee ,
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You’ve mentioned left and right, are those not the party lines?

Nope, I am referring to positions, not parties, ie Socialism vs Capitalism, as an example.

You can’t claim you’re not mentioning parties when you’ve only done it using different terms in every comment.

I haven’t brought up parties a single time.

You can’t have someone who is “centrist” in democracies with more than 2 candidates, it’s a uniquely US issue, especially with the smear campaigns instead of actual politics.

You absolutely can. Centrist does not mean someone purely in between 2 and only 2 concepts.

Without parties or sides, you can have left, right, or center. I’m sorry you got called out on this and are now flinging shit and making yourself look like biased bigot.

What are you cooking here? Parties are not sides, parties are groups of people with a shared position. People don’t get their values and views from party lines.

Now can you answer my questions or are you just going to deflect because you can’t answer simple questions without decrying people who don’t align politically with you…?

Not a single one of your questions has made sense, like when you keep referring to parties.

steersman2484 ,

You are comparing basic addition with extremely complex social economics. You can’t just do A and guarantee B will happen. But if B actually happens it can be good for one group of people and bad for another one. Often the best solution is some kind of compromise. That said there surely can be some obviously bad ideas.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You can’t just do A and guarantee B will happen.

Which is why you can be correct. “Trickle Down Economics” was never even sound in theory, and proved itself wrong in practice even more, for example.

nilloc ,

The Right are denying scientific consensus on anything that doesn’t make them money or own the libs.

Forget the “social economics” which is also bunk, because the majority of Americans want lower healthcare costs, gun control, freedom of choice, better economic equality, and better education.

These are all things the right (and written down in Project 2025 btw).

If Mr. Beast knew anything, he’d claim to work with the popular majority, but he’s been trained by social media, that controversy equals popularity. Basically it’s an algorithmic reason of “no such thing as bad press”. So he won’t do the best thing for the world, he’ll do whatever he thinks will be a net gain in popularity. Which is why he said what he said, so he doesn’t lose and right wing viewers of his clickbate.

Trainguyrom ,

both sides have good points

I seriously wish this were the case. As someone who genuinely finds policy and political theory fascinating I wish I could have actual good faith policy discussions with people who don’t mostly agree with me, but the unfortunate fact is the Republican party doesn’t have any clear policy other than “whatever is good for the party members individually” or more currently “whatever Trump wants this week” (seriously, what isn’t listed at all on the shiny new Republican Party Platform speaks volumes to how the party doesn’t have any coherent political ideology to even pay lip service to)

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

You might be too optimistic about the coherence of either side

Simon ,

Bruh, I think you may need to go outside and take a deep breath

polskilumalo ,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Yeah, I think you’ve been whiffing too much of the city air. All those exhaust fumes did a number on you.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I do regularly, what’s up?

Simon ,

Looks like overanalysis to me. Not sure the massive metaphor was necessary to attack ‘them centrists’.

That being said - the notion that centrism is a compromise is only something I’ve seen from people who are not partaking in said centrism. Not that I give a shit or anything.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Why is it “overanalysis?” It’s a common problem, people who grow up privledged and don’t consider themselves to be very “political” tend to think politics is about listening to everyone and compromising. It isn’t limited to Mr. Beast.

As for the metaphor, it was, like, 2 sentences. I don’t think that’s “massive,” and it seemed to get the poijnt through.

As for Centrism, why is Centrism good? Why are Centrists Centrists?

SchmidtGenetics ,

Why are you calling people who want to do what’s good for the nation, centrists?

You’re smearing them since they are wanting to do something different than what you want, that doesn’t automatically make them bad.

This is the state of US politics… can’t even have someone poke their head in without being insulted since they aren’t fully in the left or right. Two party democracy doesn’t work, and you’re perpetuating and making it harder for your country to try and accept this needed change.

Don’t just insult and call people names who don’t agree with you politically, that just makes you an ass.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Why are you calling people who want to do what’s good for the nation, centrists?

People who want to do good for the nation are Leftists, not centrists.

You’re smearing them since they are wanting to do something different than what you want, that doesn’t automatically make them bad.

I’m smearing people who think politics is about taking midpoints from incompatible solutions.

This is the state of US politics… can’t even have someone poke their head in without being insulted since they aren’t fully in the left or right. Two party democracy doesn’t work, and you’re perpetuating and making it harder for your country to try and accept this needed change.

This is not a US issue.

Don’t just insult and call people names who don’t agree with you politically, that just makes you an ass.

When have I insulted anyone or called them names? Centrist nonsense is nonsense, correct, but I haven’t personally insulted anyone here, unlike you.

nilloc ,

They didn’t say centrists bad, they said arguing for compromise with bad actors (those that deny provable facts) is bad.

Reddfugee42 ,

He’ll take people that believe in science and human rights, AND entitled bigot fascists! What’s wrong with that?

ResoluteCatnap ,

Yup. He had a community post saying he was too young to run but if he could run it wouldnt be about left or right, he’d sit down with both sides and work out a compromise. Previously i thought the minimum age should be lowered but after seeing something so naive i reconsidered.

brucethemoose ,

I really wonder what would happen if, say, Taylor Swift or MrBeast actually ran for president.

Who could compete with that? You can say the parties would try to oust them, but look how that worked out for Trump, and he had far less name recognition back then.

AineLasagna ,
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I would love to think that people wouldn’t just vote based on who they recognize most from TV but here we are

Phoenix3875 ,

Well, that already happened for Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Kyrgizion ,

At least one of those two was actually competent at his job.

dubyakay ,

Schwarzi?

RedditRefugee69 ,

He actually did a lot to reduce gerrymandering practices in California

dubyakay ,

As a Republican? That’s surprising. Although Cali mostly swings democrat, so it might have even been beneficial for R.

proudblond ,

He was an old-school republican and honestly pretty liberal overall. He’s still far from MAGA as far as I know.

zaphodb2002 ,

He’s actively anti-MAGA. Dude knows first-hand what fascism does to people.

kibiz0r ,

Jesse Ventura

Elaine ,

Ilona Staller

Dudewitbow ,

the advtage they have is that they wouldnt be able to be easily be influenced by money, because well, they have a lot already. it would probably be the main reason why neither poltical party would want them to run, because they wouldnt be able to be controlled as easily. a lot of powerful people would not want a populist to gain control.

kautau ,

More likely though, they would just pass the reigns after a day or a week or something. Being a President is exhausting, your daily schedule is constantly meeting and travelling nearly all the time. Even the presidents who would go golfing and the like were signing off on stuff and answering urgent phone calls.

Arbiter ,

You would think that, but there is never “enough” money for the wealthy.

pennomi ,

Rich people are counterintuitively more susceptible to bribery.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

They’re more susceptible to money, that’s how they got rich

474D ,

The problem is that the very wealthy have either gained that through the exploitation of others or born into it. And neither create a healthy mindset as for how the general population should be treated.

ImpressiveEssay ,

It would be typical murica… that’s for sure.

SnotFlickerman ,

We missed our chance to put Myspace Tom into office.

You gotta go with the people who don’t want the job. Should have forced him in before he took the money and ran.

expatriado ,

for a little while he was my only friend

Phegan ,

When did he unfriend you?

expatriado ,

he sold our friendship for $580 million and never heard of him again

Trainguyrom ,

You gotta go with the people who don’t want the job

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy has got you there!

The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

SnotFlickerman ,

In a similar vein:

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a considerable overlap between intelligence of dumbest tourists and smartest bears.

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Feathercrown ,

I would take Mr. Beast over a lot of presidential candidates tbh

Etterra ,

I hate this trickle-down rich bitch so goddamn much.

BudgetBandit ,

What is Mr Beast? Is he like a new form of Pewdiepie who just does shit and gets assloads of money to film himself doing some script stuff with the caption “I DID THIS TOTALLY WEIRD THING AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED”

Feathercrown ,

Basically, yeah. He also has a habit of giving away large sums of money.

BudgetBandit ,

And people watch this because…? They want the money too? It’s just money.

PrivateNoob ,

He donates to a bunch of noble causes, and people like to see that. For example building 100 homes for people under the poverty line

ICastFist ,
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I suspect people watch it because it gives them that dopamine hit of helping someone, without actually doing anything. “Oh my gosh, he’s so charitable!”

Commodified charity is a very effective way to get views and followers, so many people copy his format, doing “charity” for personal fame and gain - i’ve heard of some “charity” tubers/tokers that start selling ad space to fucking online casinos once they get enough viewers.

morrowind ,
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He often does the reverse, paying people exorbitant sums to do mundane things like spending 3 days in a circle. He practically started and got famous of that genre.

BudgetBandit ,

I know this may sound ignorant, but who the heck watches this and gets entertained?

Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

A mystery still unsolved to this day

Frostbeard ,

Kids with little experience perhaps. And morons.

lambda ,
@lambda@programming.dev avatar

He started out doing challenge videos like “counting to x” and it was literally like a multi-hour long video where he counted to 10,000 I believe. It’s insanely boring but it showed his “dedication to the bit”. Another is saying " pewdiepie like 10,000 times. I may have exaggerated, I’m not at a computer to look up the numbers. Eventually, after tormenting himself and gaining some followers and he got paid some money from youtube. With his first paycheck he made a video of him taking that check and giving it to a homeless person (IIRC). His philosophy was always to take any money he makes and dump it right into the next video. This has allowed him to slowly make bigger and bigger videos. He still regularly does challenge videos (buried himself alive for multiple days, not eating for several days, etc.) But, him dumping all of the money he makes into has grown from giving his first, probably couple hundred dollar check, to a homeless man, into giving literally millions away per video.

He also kind of pioneered the thumbnails you are talking about. And yelling at the beginning of the video to grab your attention by showing enthusiasm was also really his thing too. I mean some people had probably used it before. But, he used it regularly and had the type of content that really was that exciting.

Whether you care for challenge content, giving away money, some combination of both, or neither he also has Beast Philanthropy. That’s his channel where he does good “because he can”. He puts a bunch of money and gets sponsors to give money for causes like, building wells, building houses, paying for surgeries, building hospitals, etc. I thought it was a bit gross to make videos out of charity work at first. But, it helps a lot of people in my deserved countries, and raises awareness to then and the charities that try to help them. Also, all the money they make on that channel goes to the charity of each episode.

That was more than I thought I would type for sure…

Blue_Morpho ,

He got his very first start doing weird things for views.

But he got really famous by being a clickbaity charity funded by viewers. For example he paid for eye surgeries for 1000 people.

That got him mainstream because the religious right started publicly denouncing him for helping people without it being about Jesus.

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

I’ll take an effective altruist, even though they’re quite shit, over the current lot of lizard people politicians.

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Not when we find out hes been fucking kids.

Oh shit, the Rs would vote for him because of it.

Rhynoplaz ,

Meh, could do worse.

supertrucker ,

Forget packing, to get 100 justices in there, you’ll need crowbar and and a 55 gallon drum of asteoglide

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I’ve done the math and I should be able to fit three raccoons in my asshole but I’ll try a hundred justices for the right pay.

Simon ,

Two badgers in my asshole says leadership is a quality we’ve lost. I just wanted to say two badgers in my asshole and don’t know where I was going with this.

Hackworth ,

Claude for President

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

I thought you meant the GTA3 protagonist. Now that is a guy I’d vote for. No bullshit, just results.

deaf_fish ,

I remember being young and making bad political decisions. If my generation got to do that why not gen alpha? I hope the legacy my generation leaves behind helps gen alpha elect the leaders that they want without being fooled by the lies.

razorwiregoatlick ,
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We could and have elected worse.

boatsnhos931 ,

Mistuh beeast is liteweally my faworite person in the whol whorld

FartsWithAnAccent ,
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Why would I?

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