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FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

Why would I?

Mango ,

I 100% believe this.

Evotech ,

Mr beast vs Taylor Swift election cycle gonna be lit yo

Feathercrown ,

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COUGHING BABY

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I hate that this is true, plus he’s already said he would “take the best of the left and the best of the right” as some nonsense enlightened centrist candidate.

ryannathans ,

What’s wrong with that?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s centrist nonsense, if someone says a waterfall flows downstream and someone else says the waterfall flows upstream, that doesn’t mean the waterfall is stagnant, or that the person who said it flows upstream has a good point.

The left and right aren’t arbitrary collections of disorganized and incoherent positions you can combine ad-hoc.

SchmidtGenetics ,

Your comment makes it seem like there can only be two sides, that’s the entire issue with the US democracy from an outsider, where’s the other parties? Why only two, and why are you defending that there should be only two on divided lines?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m not talking about parties.

SchmidtGenetics , (edited )

And neither are they, so what’s your point? They’re just saying that both sides have good points, and they’re the “party” that will get what the nation wants done. Is trying to do what the nation wants as whole centrist to you? Or are trying to smear someone who doesn’t align fully with you? That’s the issue that they are also trying to bring to light, you are saying there is sides, there shouldn’t be… since to be centrist requires sides… or parties… you’ve no contradicted yourself in your explanation.

What’s centrist about that? I think you’re just reading way too far into this or trying to make it into something it’s not. Both sides have points, both are wrong, and you’re trying to decry someone saying this. That’s frankly wrong dude.

There shouldn’t be sides, and that makes centralism impossible, it’s only possible with the two party system.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

They’re just saying that both sides have good points

Which is wrong. What “good points” do right-wingers legitimately have?

Is trying to do what the nation wants as whole centrist to you?

Saying “both sides have good points” places a mystical property on whatever is in the middle, as though the middle is inherently correct.

You’re batting a bit too hard for someone that thinks correct answers come from finding the midpoint. If someone says 2+2=4, and someone else says 2+2=6, the answer is still 4, not 5.

SchmidtGenetics ,

Which is wrong. What “good points” do right-wingers legitimately have?

This is why US politics are wild.

Saying “both sides have good points” places a mystical property on whatever is in the middle, as though the middle is inherently correct.

And you’re saying only the left is right in both of your statements, obviously you aren’t impartial and have a bias, as pointed out in my previous comment

You’re batting a bit too hard for someone that thinks correct answers come from finding the midpoint. If someone says 2+2=4, and someone else says 2+2=6, the answer is still 4, not 5.

That is some fallacious strawmanning right there, you’re saying only one side can be right, that’s not someone who is willing to have a discussion, you’re obviously just throwing shit at anything you don’t agree with.

Which is the entire point of his joke running, it’s hilarious that you can’t see this, but not surprising since you think there’s only one party. This is American politics people.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

This is why US politics are wild….

This isn’t unique to the US. The US did not invent the concept of a midpoint.

And you’re saying only the left is right in both of your statements, obviously you aren’t impartial and have a bias, as pointed out in my previous comment

I never said I wasn’t biased. Of course I am biased, I am biased because I have a coherent worldview and set of values that aligns to the left.

That is some fallacious strawmanning right there, you’re saying only one side can be right, that’s not someone who is willing to have a discussion, you’re obviously just throwing shit at anything you don’t agree with.

Generally, yes, there is a correct side.

Which is the entire point of his joke running, it’s hilarious that you can’t see this, but not surprising since you think there’s only one party. This is American politics people.

Not sure where you got the idea that I think there’s only one party, but keep cooking, it’s funny lol

SchmidtGenetics ,

This isn’t unique to the US. The US did not invent the concept of a midpoint.

What other countries have a two party democracy? And what other countries smear the other parties to the degree of US politics?

I get you have an axe to grind, but I said I was an outsider, how am I supposed to know one side is right and one side is wrong? If one is right and one is wrong, that really only makes one party now doesn’t it? You seem to want to point out math to others, but have an issue understanding it yourself.

Feathercrown ,

I get the sense that you don’t follow politics super often… if you’re an outsider, I understand that “you must be biased to say that only one side has any good points” seems like the obviously correct position, but trust me, it’s not. Don’t attack people who have spent time in politics and developed a more accurate viewpoint just because it’s counterintuitive.

SchmidtGenetics ,

I don’t follow US politics* since I don’t live there……

But the issue is uniquely American, maybe you need to follow other countries politics more to see how flawed yours is?

Feathercrown ,

I KNOW how flawed ours is. You do not seem to.

SchmidtGenetics ,

Hence maybe why I’m pointing out that there shouldn’t be any sort of party or candidate that should be referred to as “centrist”…?

In other countries and political systems, that would be someone who would stand in the middle and actually have both good points as their platform.

In the US it’s used as smear to refer to people who don’t align politically with you. Same with the terms “left” and “right”. Other democracies have parties in these sides, but A there’s more than one, and B, the term isn’t used to smear and slander people or parties.

Hence this being a uniquely American thing…. Other countries use terms like progressive and conservatives instead, much more friendly and correct terms.

Feathercrown ,

You know we also use those terms, right?

SchmidtGenetics , (edited )

No, I’ve never seen an article or comment about US politics use those terms. Which is odd for how often they get posted in other places.

And no, your country and politics specifically avoid those terms, since they want a two party system and that’s part of how it works.

It’s republican and democrats, not progressive and conservatives, that’s the “marketing”. Would love some articles from the US that use these terms though.

Feathercrown ,

Really? You’ve never heard that? I’m sure if you searched around for some articles you’d hear people or even ideas described as “progressive” or “conservative” equally if not more often than by their parties.

And no, your country and politics specifically avoid those terms, since they want a two party system and that’s part of how it works.

Again, as someone who self-admittedly doesn’t usually follow US politics, you should really stop telling me, a politically-involved US citizen, how you think our politics works. I don’t presume to know more than you about your country’s politics.

SchmidtGenetics ,

Ideas, but not the party themselves since they want to distance themselves…

Yes I don’t follow, but it’s shoved down everyone’s throats.

I’m telling you how your politics look to OUTSIDERS… this is how WE view the shithole that you claim is democracy. None of those terms are used how you’re claiming they are.

Sure YOU use the terms, but anything that escapes to other people doesn’t, because that’s how they want to be presented. As you say, they only use the term for “ideas”, that’s distancing dude… yeeesh.

Feathercrown ,

Politics is literally entirely composed of ideas. The parties are named the way they are because that’s what they’ve been named for like a billion years.

None of those terms are used how you’re claiming they are.

Sure YOU use the terms…

So, they ARE used how I’m claiming.

SchmidtGenetics ,

The onus is on you, you claimed the terms are used and I already asked and you decided to not oblige and tell me to Google it.

So you Google it, or provide the proof you claimed of first.

The terms the US wants and uses is democrats and republicans, since they don’t really follow ideologies at all.

In a healthy political system the right will have some left ideas and left will have some right. Maybe educate yourself on other politcal systems first if you want to discuss and call me out? Your democracy is a sham, others don’t operate that way, yet you want to claim they do…? What….?

Feathercrown ,

I’ve made literally no claims about anyone else’s democracy.

As a matter of principle I refuse to use Google for you, you’re the one who originally made the claim that we don’t use progressive or conservative as terms, and if you’re going to insist on playing the Burden of Proof game then that’s what you’re going to get. Educate yourself on this topic or leave.

SchmidtGenetics ,

Nah, since that’s not what the original topic was about anyways, and you seem to be hell bent on being correct instead of having a discussion.

Feathercrown ,

I’ve forgotten the original topic at this point tbh. If you have any further arguments to make then feel free, otherwise it seems we’re at an impasse.

hell bent on being correct instead of having a discussion

Do you find this an issue in many debates?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

What other countries have a two party democracy?

Again, when did I mention parties? You keep bringing them up when nobody else did.

If one is right and one is wrong, that really only makes one party now doesn’t it?

You’re confusing concepts like leftism and rightism with parties. Parties can have incoherent collections of ideas, they usually serve their donors alone.

You seem to want to point out math to others, but have an issue understanding it yourself.

I’m just fine, thank you.

SchmidtGenetics ,

You’ve mentioned left and right, are those not the party lines? You can’t claim you’re not mentioning parties when you’ve only done it using different terms in every comment. You can’t have someone who is “centrist” in democracies with more than 2 candidates, it’s a uniquely US issue, especially with the smear campaigns instead of actual politics.

I mean you described them that way, and you’re using them to describe the two different parties. Claiming otherwise is asinine. If they aren’t parties, and they aren’t sides, then what are they?

Without parties or sides, you can have left, right, or center. I’m sorry you got called out on this and are now flinging shit and making yourself look like biased bigot.

Now can you answer my questions or are you just going to deflect because you can’t answer simple questions without decrying people who don’t align politically with you…?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You’ve mentioned left and right, are those not the party lines?

Nope, I am referring to positions, not parties, ie Socialism vs Capitalism, as an example.

You can’t claim you’re not mentioning parties when you’ve only done it using different terms in every comment.

I haven’t brought up parties a single time.

You can’t have someone who is “centrist” in democracies with more than 2 candidates, it’s a uniquely US issue, especially with the smear campaigns instead of actual politics.

You absolutely can. Centrist does not mean someone purely in between 2 and only 2 concepts.

Without parties or sides, you can have left, right, or center. I’m sorry you got called out on this and are now flinging shit and making yourself look like biased bigot.

What are you cooking here? Parties are not sides, parties are groups of people with a shared position. People don’t get their values and views from party lines.

Now can you answer my questions or are you just going to deflect because you can’t answer simple questions without decrying people who don’t align politically with you…?

Not a single one of your questions has made sense, like when you keep referring to parties.

steersman2484 ,

You are comparing basic addition with extremely complex social economics. You can’t just do A and guarantee B will happen. But if B actually happens it can be good for one group of people and bad for another one. Often the best solution is some kind of compromise. That said there surely can be some obviously bad ideas.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You can’t just do A and guarantee B will happen.

Which is why you can be correct. “Trickle Down Economics” was never even sound in theory, and proved itself wrong in practice even more, for example.

nilloc , (edited )

The Right are denying scientific consensus on anything that doesn’t make them money or own the libs.

Forget the “social economics” which is also bunk, because the majority of Americans want lower healthcare costs, gun control, freedom of choice, better economic equality, and better education.

These are all things the right (and written down in Project 2025 btw).

If Mr. Beast knew anything, he’d claim to work with the popular majority, but he’s been trained by social media that controversy equals popularity. Basically it’s an algorithmic version of “no such thing as bad press”. So he won’t do the best thing for the world, he’ll do whatever he thinks will be a net gain in popularity. Which is why he said what he said, so he doesn’t lose and right wing viewers of his clickbate.

Trainguyrom ,

both sides have good points

I seriously wish this were the case. As someone who genuinely finds policy and political theory fascinating I wish I could have actual good faith policy discussions with people who don’t mostly agree with me, but the unfortunate fact is the Republican party doesn’t have any clear policy other than “whatever is good for the party members individually” or more currently “whatever Trump wants this week” (seriously, what isn’t listed at all on the shiny new Republican Party Platform speaks volumes to how the party doesn’t have any coherent political ideology to even pay lip service to)

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

You might be too optimistic about the coherence of either side

Simon ,

Bruh, I think you may need to go outside and take a deep breath

polskilumalo ,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Yeah, I think you’ve been whiffing too much of the city air. All those exhaust fumes did a number on you.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I do regularly, what’s up?

Simon ,

Looks like overanalysis to me. Not sure the massive metaphor was necessary to attack ‘them centrists’.

That being said - the notion that centrism is a compromise is only something I’ve seen from people who are not partaking in said centrism. Not that I give a shit or anything.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Why is it “overanalysis?” It’s a common problem, people who grow up privledged and don’t consider themselves to be very “political” tend to think politics is about listening to everyone and compromising. It isn’t limited to Mr. Beast.

As for the metaphor, it was, like, 2 sentences. I don’t think that’s “massive,” and it seemed to get the poijnt through.

As for Centrism, why is Centrism good? Why are Centrists Centrists?

SchmidtGenetics ,

Why are you calling people who want to do what’s good for the nation, centrists?

You’re smearing them since they are wanting to do something different than what you want, that doesn’t automatically make them bad.

This is the state of US politics… can’t even have someone poke their head in without being insulted since they aren’t fully in the left or right. Two party democracy doesn’t work, and you’re perpetuating and making it harder for your country to try and accept this needed change.

Don’t just insult and call people names who don’t agree with you politically, that just makes you an ass.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Why are you calling people who want to do what’s good for the nation, centrists?

People who want to do good for the nation are Leftists, not centrists.

You’re smearing them since they are wanting to do something different than what you want, that doesn’t automatically make them bad.

I’m smearing people who think politics is about taking midpoints from incompatible solutions.

This is the state of US politics… can’t even have someone poke their head in without being insulted since they aren’t fully in the left or right. Two party democracy doesn’t work, and you’re perpetuating and making it harder for your country to try and accept this needed change.

This is not a US issue.

Don’t just insult and call people names who don’t agree with you politically, that just makes you an ass.

When have I insulted anyone or called them names? Centrist nonsense is nonsense, correct, but I haven’t personally insulted anyone here, unlike you.

SchmidtGenetics ,

In a functioning political system both the “left” and “right” are competent and have good ideas.

Who said midpoints from incompatible solutions? Thats unique US issue as we’ve already discussed and pointed out, in other countries and political systems, that’s what you would want, since they are combing good ideas, not 2+2=6 as you’re claiming. Yes that’s apparently what happens in US political, not in healthy democracies.

Uh… yes it is, that’s why I would like for you to point to any other countries with these two party democracy issues.

You seriously can’t see how calling people “left”, “right”, or “centrist” is insulting them? Is that how ingrained and indoctrinated this stuff is in US politics?

It’s progressives and conservatives, the fact that you don’t even comprehend you’re refering to sides while using these insults and slurs to refer to political parties is quite frankly wild. You’re calling anyone who doesn’t agree with you politically names, I never mentioned in here dude lmfao, that makes you an ass. But yeah that shows your intent with this discussion, I’m gonna block you now instead.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

In a functioning political system both the “left” and “right” are competent and have good ideas.

Why? The Left is correct regardless of where you are.

Who said midpoints from incompatible solutions? Thats unique US issue as we’ve already discussed and pointed out, in other countries and political systems, that’s what you would want, since they are combing good ideas, not 2+2=6 as you’re claiming. Yes that’s apparently what happens in US political, not in healthy democracies.

Logic. The left and right aren’t incoherent groups of random positions from people genetically labeled “left” or “right.” If leftists want prison reform, privitizing prisons gets in the way of that and can make it worse.

Uh… yes it is, that’s why I would like for you to point to any other countries with these two party democracy issues.

It doesn’t matter how many parties you have, centrism is still nonsense. This isn’t a two-party democracy issue. Having multiple leftist and multiple rightist parties doesn’t change that the midpoint is not inherently a good thing, and can make things worse by combining incompatible policies.

You seriously can’t see how calling people “left”, “right”, or “centrist” is insulting them? Is that how ingrained and indoctrinated this stuff is in US politics?

Nowhere are these considered insults inherently. Stop making this about the US. I’m a Communist, why would I be insulted by “left?”

It’s progressives and conservatives, the fact that you don’t even comprehend you’re refering to sides while using these insults and slurs to refer to political parties is quite frankly wild. You’re calling anyone who doesn’t agree with you politically names, I never mentioned in here dude lmfao, that makes you an ass. But yeah that shows your intent with this discussion, I’m gonna block you now instead.

Lmao

nilloc ,

They didn’t say centrists bad, they said arguing for compromise with bad actors (those that deny provable facts) is bad.

SchmidtGenetics ,

They are smearing “centrists” and the “right” in every comment dude…

And no, they just have an axe to grind for anyone who doesn’t align politically with them.

In a functioning democracy a “centrist” would have the good ideas of both the progressives and conservatives. So there isn’t anything about denying probable facts, and the rant they’re going on about 2+2=6 is a strawman fallacy to derail the conversation. Since that’s the uniquely US issue…

ImpressiveEssay ,

I think they were just saying that you aren’t a centrist if you support any part of Jan 6th… Like, of course you aren’t.

Definitionally…

Reddfugee42 ,

He’ll take people that believe in science and human rights, AND entitled bigot fascists! What’s wrong with that?

ResoluteCatnap ,

Yup. He had a community post saying he was too young to run but if he could run it wouldnt be about left or right, he’d sit down with both sides and work out a compromise. Previously i thought the minimum age should be lowered but after seeing something so naive i reconsidered.

ImpressiveEssay ,

Would he take the best of ‘maga,’

Cos they literally tried to shut down the whole thing. Left right etc. There evidence!! Americans confuse me, man

supertrucker ,

Forget packing, to get 100 justices in there, you’ll need crowbar and and a 55 gallon drum of asteoglide

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I’ve done the math and I should be able to fit three raccoons in my asshole but I’ll try a hundred justices for the right pay.

Simon ,

Two badgers in my asshole says leadership is a quality we’ve lost. I just wanted to say two badgers in my asshole and don’t know where I was going with this.

Rhynoplaz ,

Meh, could do worse.

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

I’ll take an effective altruist, even though they’re quite shit, over the current lot of lizard people politicians.

brucethemoose ,

I really wonder what would happen if, say, Taylor Swift or MrBeast actually ran for president.

Who could compete with that? You can say the parties would try to oust them, but look how that worked out for Trump, and he had far less name recognition back then.

AineLasagna ,
@AineLasagna@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I would love to think that people wouldn’t just vote based on who they recognize most from TV but here we are

Phoenix3875 ,

Well, that already happened for Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Kyrgizion ,

At least one of those two was actually competent at his job.

dubyakay ,

Schwarzi?

RedditRefugee69 ,

He actually did a lot to reduce gerrymandering practices in California

dubyakay ,

As a Republican? That’s surprising. Although Cali mostly swings democrat, so it might have even been beneficial for R.

proudblond ,

He was an old-school republican and honestly pretty liberal overall. He’s still far from MAGA as far as I know.

zaphodb2002 ,

He’s actively anti-MAGA. Dude knows first-hand what fascism does to people.

kibiz0r ,

Jesse Ventura

Elaine ,

Ilona Staller

Dudewitbow ,

the advtage they have is that they wouldnt be able to be easily be influenced by money, because well, they have a lot already. it would probably be the main reason why neither poltical party would want them to run, because they wouldnt be able to be controlled as easily. a lot of powerful people would not want a populist to gain control.

kautau ,

More likely though, they would just pass the reigns after a day or a week or something. Being a President is exhausting, your daily schedule is constantly meeting and travelling nearly all the time. Even the presidents who would go golfing and the like were signing off on stuff and answering urgent phone calls.

Arbiter ,

You would think that, but there is never “enough” money for the wealthy.

pennomi ,

Rich people are counterintuitively more susceptible to bribery.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

They’re more susceptible to money, that’s how they got rich

474D ,

The problem is that the very wealthy have either gained that through the exploitation of others or born into it. And neither create a healthy mindset as for how the general population should be treated.

ImpressiveEssay ,

It would be typical murica… that’s for sure.

SnotFlickerman ,

We missed our chance to put Myspace Tom into office.

You gotta go with the people who don’t want the job. Should have forced him in before he took the money and ran.

expatriado ,

for a little while he was my only friend

Phegan ,

When did he unfriend you?

expatriado ,

he sold our friendship for $580 million and never heard of him again

Trainguyrom ,

You gotta go with the people who don’t want the job

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy has got you there!

The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

SnotFlickerman ,

In a similar vein:

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a considerable overlap between intelligence of dumbest tourists and smartest bears.

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sentientity ,

You’re so unbelievably right here.

Hackworth ,

Claude for President

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

I thought you meant the GTA3 protagonist. Now that is a guy I’d vote for. No bullshit, just results.

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