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aaiding ,

For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium, for whom a thousand souls die every day, for whom blood is drunk and flesh eaten. Human blood and human flesh – the stuff of which the Imperium is made.

OldWoodFrame ,

But Slightly More Rotting Corpse has the better environmental policy which we’ll need before the last remnant of Florida is fully swallowed by the sea in the next 4 years.

anachronist ,

Remember the good old days when we got to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich?

33550336 ,
@33550336@lemmy.world avatar

I suppose that you prefer russian, north korean or iranian presidential debate more.

floridaman ,

idk man at least their dictators are somewhat competent rulers

/s

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

why does it say 2056 when this is already happening in 2024

BudgetBandit ,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/3ca21cf7-291d-49f5-8fb5-19c42bc96647.jpeg

AFC1886VCC ,

Biden should be the last time the Democrats put forward a senile old man as their presidential nominee. Even if he wins this election, there will be another one to fight in 4 years time and the fash might not lose again.

corsicanguppy ,

Da, comrade.

jaybone ,

It should be the last time they put a candidate that nobody wants. Remember 2016? They don’t.

Asafum ,

That’s not totally true, it’s just who the ownership class wants. They’re the only real people anyway, we’re all just labor.

Asafum ,

Old people primary voting: See if you can stop me choosing the next old man from your house! Ha!

nexussapphire ,

You forgot the orange spray paint.

ssj2marx ,

Lemmitors: You don’t understand! I’m not voting for Slightly More Rotting Corpse, I’m voting for the Slightly More Rotting Corpse administration. Yes it’s true that both of them support nuclear warfare along the Mexican border, but Rotting Corpse would be dropping more nukes with higher frequency on the climate refugees so we have to vote for the lesser evil.

Seasoned_Greetings ,

When the American populace as a whole is brainwashed into believing the only choices are red and blue, you have to accept that whining about it and voting green (or not voting) is going to accomplish nothing.

So make your colorful allegory and feel good about yourself on the internet. In the end, you are accomplishing less than the people you look down on who recognize the shitty reality of our situation.

ssj2marx ,

If choosing red or blue doesn’t work, and choosing another option also doesn’t work, then what good does feeling self righteous about your decision to pick one over the other do? Unless you’re suggesting that the shitty reality of our situation is that we’re fucked and nothing will work at all no matter what - which is a level of defeatism that I don’t think is very helpful either.

Charapaso ,

Voting for the slightly less shit option makes it easier for the things we do in parallel to have a positive impact: direct action doesn’t get slowed down much by voting once a year or so.

ssj2marx ,

I won’t deny that people can do multiple things at once, I just don’t agree with the premise that voting matters in the current paradigm.

Charapaso ,

I don’t think it does much, but any tiny contribution to the fight against climate change is a good for the world, as is any slowing of the erosion of civil rights domestically, gutting of what remains of medicare/medicaid, etc.

I also know a GOP administration will be worse in terms of fighting against leftist movements in the streets, if only slightly. They’re definitely worse re: labor movements overall, again: even if only marginally.

So I’m not going to claim it’s a panacea, or even someone that will have notable effects, but I do think it matters at the margins, so the effort required is usually worth it, IMHO

Seasoned_Greetings ,

Being self righteous about doing nothing is worse.

Despite your own brand of defeatism in insisting the outcome is the same no matter what, one side actually is better. Even if the metric of “better” pales on the grand scheme of what we deserve or should be doing.

I’m not trying to project self-righteousness by recognizing that there are only two real choices. I’m asserting that advocating non-action or pointless action is such a tired trope that what you’re doing is circlejerking for dopamine instead of applying what little influence you have as an individual to work toward the avoiding the actual worst outcome.

Kusimulkku ,

What would be the alternative

ssj2marx ,

As I’ve said elsewhere, to fix it from within the system itself you would need a bloc of people willing to punish one of the parties for moving right by withholding their votes and their donations. To fix it from without the system is also possible, but would require some “authoritarianism” in the form of people with guns. Anything else is just people flailing around ineffectually and getting mad at others who aren’t flailing in the ineffectual way that they prefer.

Either way you’ve got the same problem: getting a large enough group of people together who are willing to do the thing. Socialists of all stripes have been trying to crack that egg for over a hundred years and the only ones who had any success were the ones that managed to get the peasants on their side because peasants have a certain amount of class consciousness that proles don’t.

AVincentInSpace ,

so suppose you let trump win to spite the dnc. then what? what are you going to tell all the people whose rights are being taken away?

ssj2marx ,

If you had enough people to do the thing, then you would be able to protect members of the group at a local level while national orgs realign and/or get replaced.

But nobody has a large enough group of people to do the thing. In the absence of a large enough group of people to do the thing, voting is a purely personal decision that will not effect the outcome.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

“If there were enough people who cared about trans lives to actually change the outcome of the election, you wouldn’t need the law to protect them – you could just make them do it.”

Please God tell me I’m misreading this. People in Texas can just get fucked I guess?

corsicanguppy ,

Sorry; what would be the alternative NOW?!?

I don’t see all that happening before it’s time to vote, so isn’t what you’re saying now a bit of a distraction from the very real risk to the stability of the country?

force , (edited )

Shoot them

We’re allowed to kill Abe Lincoln and JFK, why aren’t we allowed to kill these guys? Why does Reagan get plot armor out of all the presidents? Who wrote this shit?

To be fair JFK getting shot was pretty epic though. He almost caused nuclear holocaust (although a more rabidly anti-communist president may have definitely caused nuclear holocaust), war crimed the South Vietnamese a ton, and stabilized Israel. RFK getting assassinated was less epic because that gave us Nixon

xthexder ,
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You have a very twisted view of the world. No one was “allowed” to shoot Abe Lincoln or JFK. It was very much not allowed, but murderers don’t usually care about what’s allowed and do it anyway.

Squirrel , (edited )
@Squirrel@thelemmy.club avatar

Obnoxious, lying, seditious, narcissistic, rotting corpse vs. tired, confused, rotting corpse.

Hoomod ,

You forgot felon and rapist for the first one

Squirrel ,
@Squirrel@thelemmy.club avatar

Ah, so I did. Not sure how I managed that, considering how relevant those points should be here.

uis ,

Russian presidential debate:

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/af1d7437-98eb-4cc4-8b98-133ec4af6df1.jpeg

jaybone ,

Soon we will all be speaking Russian.

uis ,

Not so soon. Only if Putin looses power and coalition of Pirate Party, Communist Party and maybe Russia of the future(if they will survive) gains it. And maybe 20-50 years to restore from Putin.

jaybone ,

Are you special?

uis ,

What?

jaybone ,

I’ll take that as a yes.

Binette ,

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    Fades ,

    This is literally a “both sides” meme. Fuck off

    Barbarian ,
    @Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

    How do you ever solve a problem if you don’t acknowledge it exists?

    I’m not from the US, but live in a country that is a US ally with a lot of military bases. The US election effects us. The fact the DNC is fielding an old age pensioner who should be sitting comfortably in a retirement home complaining about the birds obstructing his view against an equally old fascist is deeply worrying.

    Signtist ,

    People are scared that if you acknowledge the fact that Biden is concerning as a presidential candidate in any way, people will be less likely to vote for him; the sad state of the matter is that Biden is the only candidate who has a chance to beat Trump at this late of a stage in the game. The reasoning that we need to avoid criticizing him as a result of that is bullshit though, since if you’re closing your eyes and voting for your default color, then such discussion won’t affect to your vote, and if you’re actually paying attention to the state of our upcoming election, then you’ll already be well aware that being against Trump forces you to vote Biden, so your vote is locked in, regardless of how depressing it is. Nobody’s still hemming and hawing at this point, and even if some are, some random meme on Lemmy isn’t going to be the thing that finally gets them to make up their mind.

    There’s no reason we can’t acknowledge the fact that, while being better than Donald Trump should win Biden the presidential election, it’s not an accomplishment, and in a vacuum he’s a terrible candidate. In fact, we specifically need to point out that we knew this scenario was coming for the past 4 years, and have organized no major uprisings, or even major educational movements to try to get people to force out a different Democratic candidate in the primaries; we’ve sat on our asses ever since the last election, and there’s no reason to think we won’t do the same going into the next election unless we start forcing a change in the DNC right now.

    These “both sides” discussions aren’t about whether or not to choose to vote for Biden, they’re about getting people to notice the fact that we vote for the “lesser evil” every 4 years, saying that the time to make a change is after we’re solidified our candidate’s victory, but then once we’ve done that we do nothing until we’re in the same “lesser evil” situation again 4 years later. If we want to ever have a situation where we’re voting for a president we’d actually like, we need to start planning out how to force that to happen now, because even 4 whole years isn’t a very long time frame to for us to push such a large change.

    I can understand some people are scared that Trump is going to win because too many people chose to vote 3rd party, or choose not to vote, but everyone who’s paying attention enough to be swayed by political discussion is already aware that we specifically need to vote for Biden in order for Trump to lose, so at this point the fanatical drive to quash any criticism of him as a presidential candidate seems nearly tailor-made to sow even more apathy among the voting population, making them feel not only forced into voting for Biden, but forced into liking it as well. In the end I think the efforts to prevent discussion about how neither candidate is an objectively good candidate is going to ultimately cause fewer people to vote at all, since they’ll feel as though they can’t even air out their grievances with the candidate they’d already begrudgingly chosen to vote for.

    I_Clean_Here ,

    If you can agree on one thing, it is that these fucks are both too old

    can , (edited )

    This is the lamest “both sides” meme possible.

    ssj2marx ,

    Perhaps if both sides were not so awful, people wouldn’t feel compelled to meme about them.

    Kusimulkku ,

    Both of them are old senile fucks.

    ChairmanMeow ,
    @ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

    Glad to see things will improve in the US!

    Sanctus ,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t you dare go hollow

    ObstreperousCanadian ,
    @ObstreperousCanadian@lemmy.ca avatar

    Don’t give up skeleton!

    PeriodicallyPedantic ,

    Who do you want running the country? The litch or the revenant?

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