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darkphotonstudio ,

Let’s just go back to IRC and XMPP. The modern “chat” landscape is dismal.

Zacryon ,

Don’t have friends. Problem solved.

fmstrat ,

Matrix and bridges

toastal ,

XMPP & Gateways

miss_brainfarts ,

Only if you tell your contacts about it, and explain to them what a bridge does

shrippen ,

Why?

miss_brainfarts , (edited )

Take Signal to Matrix for example. They use different encryption protocols, which means a message sent from one end has to be decrypted, and then re-encrypted with the protocol of the recipient before they can actually receive it.

So basically, your encryption is not very e2e anymore, and the fact that someone can set this up, effectively giving encryption keys to a third party without their contacts being able to do anything about it is pretty fucked.

Oh, and different TOS between different services also come into play.

So if you do this, at least tell your contacts about it, so they can make an informed decision about whether or not that’s okay for them.

hjpoijnerflkjn ,

Just self host the bridges. I mean if you trust your phone more than your server, this won’t help.

miss_brainfarts ,

Do whatever you want, but again, make sure your contacts can make an informed decision about it.

stegosaur5491 ,

I bet none of my contacts made an informed decision about which chat app they are using. I don’t think that this really bothers one of them. Most of them do not know, what the difference between Insta-pms and Whatsapp even is, as far as security and privacy are concerned. And from my point of view I don’t know it detailed enough too. Making an informed decision about a closed source software and as a non technical person is not as easy as you may think. At least from my point of view.

miss_brainfarts ,

You’re hitting the nail directly on the head.

Not knowing what’s going on being a bad thing is precisely my whole point

owen ,

Meh. For many people, software research is an impossibly high barrier for entry because of years of FANG brain rot.

BreakDecks ,

If I own the bridge, nobody but me is accessing the message.

fmstrat ,

Yup, this is what I do.

repungnant_canary ,

And if you have two phone numbers which you want to use for WhatsApp then you need to clone the damn app because they can’t even make such basic functionality

LWD ,

Shelter is a nice FOSS app.

Samsungs also have Secure Folder…

CertifiedBlackGuy ,

Samsung actually allows app cloning for multiple profiles without using secure folder.

I’m not sure if it’s a list of supported apps or any as I don’t use the feature

meliaesc ,

It’s called “dual messenger” if anyone is curious. Works well for using both my US & international numbers.

LWD ,

Oh yeah, you can do that too. I just never have it for apps I want to clone.

JohnDoe ,

I have a newer Redmi Phone and I can install an app at least twice. There’s the ‘second space’ as well which is like having a cordoned off user. I use a different fingerprint or PIN and it takes me there.

M500 ,

I have a bunch of chat apps. I live in a country that uses a mix of messenger, telegram, viber, and whatsapp. Although it is mostly messenger.

rockSlayer ,

I have 3/7 and I hate it. I wish signal never removed the ability to function as sms

morrowind ,
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Even if it did, it didn’t support rcs

rockSlayer ,

That’s because Google is gatekeeping the android API for RCS

CosmicTurtle ,

Wait, I thought Google wanted Apple to start supporting RCS. So that everyone can talk to each other.

So Google is just…trying to strong arm apple to give up their proprietary protocol for their own?

That’s so fucked up.

Flax_vert ,

RCS is an open standard. However, on Android you can only use it with Google chat. So android stops any other apps from using it. Nothing to stop you making your own phone from scratch and adopting it.

It’s incredibly stupid, I know.

Perfide ,

Samsung messages app also supports RCS, depending on your carrier, though? It’s super fucking buggy and frequently switches back to sms so I still switched to Google messages, but it does technically have it.

TheGrandNagus ,

They only have it because they reached a deal with Google.

zeekaran ,

4/7 here. I’m fine with it. Though sms should be included.

arran4 ,

Matrix with bridges can help consolidate them. Some managed versions exist like Beeper and Element. Been slowly moving to that. Will eventually self host.

jenny_ball ,
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they are beasts to set up self host. I’m going to do it one day

CubitOom ,

Matrix via docker is pretty simple actually.

Took me like 30 mins to set it up exactly like I wanted on my kubernetes cluster.

jenny_ball ,
@jenny_ball@lemmy.world avatar

oh yeah? can you point me to tutorials or examples? i tried the official github but got a little overwhelmed.

CubitOom ,

Would you like docs on just the docker component or a kubernetes centered doc?

jenny_ball ,
@jenny_ball@lemmy.world avatar

docker please. i got overwhelmed with all the fields that need to be set up.

CubitOom ,

I have not tried it. But this doc seems to make sense and isn’t very opinionated.

computingforgeeks.com/run-synapse-matrix-homeserv…

One of the aspects that is glossed over in this doc however is the networking parts. There are many ways to setup your DNS, certificates, and ingress depending on how/where you are hosting the container.

jenny_ball ,
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that’s really good thank you!

banneryear1868 ,

Used a self hosted matrix with element for years now it’s solid. Have a friend group who uses it for everything with dedicated channels etc.

PeriodicallyPedantic ,

I really miss how windows phone allowed other chat services to plug in to it, so that you could have a single chat app for all your contacts, but open the individual apps for advanced features.

kuneho ,
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Same went for Blackberry 10 and its Hub

gandalf_der_12te ,

Remember E-Mail, everyone?

tsugu OP ,
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A lot of people around me are genuinely confused when your email is not [email protected], as they mostly just use it for confirming logins. That’s how bad the situation is.

neutron ,

Having an untraditional gTLD like .xyz makes many confused as well, especially those not in IT.

EvolvedTurtle ,

Damn I’m over here with like 4 emails

Personal / gaming, the professional one with my name, my collage one, and the new one I made to make it harder to dox me

PeriodicallyPedantic ,

I recently started using a + in my email address to make use-specific aliases, so I can more easily filter content from them or see if they’re leaking my email.

I signed up for a rewards program in person the other day and the strange look I got:

Do you have an account with us?

Idk

I can look up your email

Ok, it’s [email protected]

I don’t see it, would you like to make an account?

Yes, but instead of that email, make it [email protected]

Uhhhhh… Ok…

Like “you don’t have an account but you have an email specifically for our business? Sus AF”

ohlaph ,

Never heard of her.

gandalf_der_12te ,

she’s nice. You should check her out

zeekaran ,

Schildichat > Element

tsugu OP ,
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Yeah I’m using Schildi at the moment as well. Thought since it’s a fork of Element, and most people recognize its logo, I featured it instead.

CubitOom ,

I have to try that again. Last one I tried it it had some issues.

KDE’s NeoChat is pretty solid too

sag ,

Too much relatable

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/2b6856c6-917f-4de6-9771-62162929f778.png

Classy ,

No SimpleX??

AnnaFrankfurter ,

Yeah yeah we got it you have multiple friends quit bragging about it now

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Do not have Instagram and FB Messenger. Discord and WhatsApp are sandboxed, permission restricted and firewalled.

Signal is a fucking desert despite converting so many contacts. Nobody uses it in the past few years.

0x2d ,

i use aliucord on my phone, it has plugins, the old ui, and no telemetry

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

I do not want to risk an unnecessary ban, and I use an old official version anyway. Discord gives a lot of “freedom” as far as information and insight into internet social activity goes.

0x2d ,

i haven’t been banned, and some of the plugins are very useful to me

Diplomjodler ,

Are you even a true nerd if you have so many friends?

MiDaBa ,

As long as those friends have strong and inflexible opinions about chat apps then yes.

dog_ ,

Beeper!

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