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vanderbilt ,
@vanderbilt@beehaw.org avatar

My Jamaican friend once said: “How many times do I have to tell you people flour is not a spice”.

Clbull ,

I’m British. Don’t put the Dutch in the same group as us. Our local ‘cuisine’ truly is a crime to food.

Aganim ,

I’m Dutch, feel free to put us in the same group. They way we drown our potatoes in gravy absolutely is a crime against food.

Sunfoil ,

Except it isn’t though. You have shitty fast food like the rest of the world, but we also have Michelin star restaurants too. This is just yet another excuse for people to be xenophobic to the British.

Globulart ,

And there are loads of excuses already. No need to manufacture an extra one! I wonder how many Michelin star restaurants in the UK claim to serve traditional British food though.

But genuinely, does the rest of the world dislike fish and chips, roast dinners, fried breakfasts, and pies? I know the stereotype has been around forever but I always had trouble believing that most non British people wouldn’t really like those foods.

Sunfoil ,

My understanding is a lot of them. The majority of restaurants in the Michelin guide certaintly are British cuisine. The stars, I’m not so sure. I would say there isn’t really any reason to be xenophobic or racist to anyone.

Globulart ,

Yeah of course mate, it was a joke about how (historically) we’ve given people plenty of excuses to be.

Treczoks ,

No, it isn’t. I have dined exceptionally well in the UK. Our Christmas dinner is based on an a recipe from an English cook. We have a Scottish cafe/diner in town which serves excellent food.

OK, I’ve dined horribly, too, but it is definitely not the norm - I made the mistake of ordering half a chicken in a fish and chips shop. My recommendation: Don’t repeat my mistake.

ElBarto ,
@ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

I played too much red dead, I’m like " I don’t remember a character named Brits.

wombat ,

stroopwafels are good

ElHexo ,

At least some Dutch food integrated the spices (Speculaas), the Brits have no excuse

sgbrain7 ,

This reminds me of an old post I remember seeing where it depicted the contrast between anime food and English film food with some eggs. The anime ones were drawn with utmost care to look downright heavenly, while the English film eggs were very scraggly.

EvolvedTurtle ,

Genuinely I want more foreign food to be more common Like I live in the US so it’s pretty common it’s just hella expensive

Unless you get the questionable Americanized version like taco bell and panda express

sgbrain7 ,

I agree. That’s why foreign import stores are pretty cool.

HawlSera ,

They really did did Kill millions of people to get spices and then decide they didn’t like any of them.

junfel ,

LMAOOOO

Mr_Blott ,

Yanks on their way to just cover bland, mass produced shite in butter and salt so they can proclaim it “the gradest food in the wuuuurld”

TIMMAY ,

to be honest, I dont know a single fellow american that thinks that “american food” (whatever that even means) is better than just about any other variety. Yet what you said is true nonetheless lmao

Clbull ,

To that I say ‘what American food?’

Because there’s a massive difference in quality between a Big Mac and a Philly Cheesesteak

TIMMAY ,

Very fair, and even from one cheesesteak to another

madcaesar ,

I don’t think Americans claim we have the greatest food in the world lol Cheap? Yes. Fast? Yes. BBQ? Yes!

EvolvedTurtle ,

Yeah we just kind of took food from other countries and made it worse lol

madcaesar ,

We made it cheap and fast and worse lol

gmtom ,

The same reason you have all of human knowledge at your finger tips, yet only use the same tired joke over and over.

captainjaneway ,
@captainjaneway@lemmy.world avatar

Boom. Roasted.

xenoclast ,

A common British cooking technique…

100_kg_90_de_belin ,

Even better, he didn’t marinate it before roasting.

RIP_Cheems ,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

You had access to the entire spice trade, WHY DIDNT YOU USE IT???

10_0 ,

Never been to a British supermarket

Hagels_Bagels ,
@Hagels_Bagels@lemmygrad.ml avatar

You can buy paprika at Tescos but British food is still shit.

10_0 ,

Capitalism at its best, spices are expensive for canned food so can’t compete, and theres no demand for spices in ready-made food

Shepstr ,

This is quite the circlejerk.

Skyrmir ,

The best restaurants in the world are in London. Of course they don’t serve English food. The Brits just knew to bring the best stuff home.

ImFresh3x , (edited )
  1. This is a subjective, but would be pretty universally laughed at in the culinary world especially when compared to France, Italy, Tokyo, or any American city.
  2. restaurants weren’t even prevalent until the early 1900s, way past the introduction of spices.

Outside of London the UK has a very low presence of Michelin rated restaurants compared to Europe, the US, and Japan. Not the best metric, but there’s no reason why Britain’s restaurants, who would stand to benefit from such rating, is being unfairly treated.

Btw I actually like British food, and have spent a lot of time in the UK. Just think your comment is funny, and the upvotes are funnier.

NotSpez ,

I get your point number one, but any American city better restaurants than London? You cannot seriously believe that. Sure, NY, Chicago, etc but common.

GR4VY ,

They probably mean any large/prominent American city comparable in size to London.

foo ,

They are still wrong. London is up with the best you will find anywhere in the world. Even a lot of large US cities are a poorer substitute.

GR4VY ,

I can’t make an argument for or against that, because I’ve never been to London. I was just saying what I thought they meant 😊

Kusimulkku ,

any American city

You just tried to slip that in there, hoping we wouldn’t notice

Mr_Blott ,

It’s very, very subjective mate,

or any American city

is incredibly wrong from the culinary world’s point of view, I can assure you

I think DC and LA are about the only two cities in the top 20 worldwide if we’re talking culinary excellence

Xyre ,

While it’s not definitive, this was the easiest list I could find: https://www.farandwide.com/s/cities-michelin-stars-397433fb73604a91

SF and NYC are also in the top 20.

nexussapphire ,

I’ll remember that when I want to eat a sack of blood or a plate of liver.

Mr_Blott ,

You would if it was covered in butter and high fructose corn syrup

TIMMAY ,

stop, my stomach can only get so erect

kirk782 ,
@kirk782@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

That weirdly applies to museums as well. The best museums in the world are in London. Of course, they don’t serve English stuff. The Brits just knew to bring the best stuff home.

Also, what do you call English food in other countries? Prison food.

Honytawk ,

What do you think tea is made of?

altima_neo , (edited )
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

And let’s be real, the Brits gave up their own food in favor of Indian food. They love that Tikka masala.

BigDanishGuy ,

Which is Scottish, allegedly telegraph.co.uk/…/Chicken-tikka-masala-row-grows-…

HiddenLayer5 , (edited )

If we’re to insist on it being a specific country’s food, it really should be Indian no? It was invented by Indian diaspora in the UK as (IIRC) a take on traditional Indian food using ingredients that are easier to obtain in the UK.

IMO saying tikka masala is British food is like saying General Tso’s Chicken, which was invented by Chinese diaspora in the US for similar reasons, is somehow American food. I don’t think the country it was invented in can really claim credit in either case.

scubbo ,

Tikka Masala is an Indian-Inspired dish which was invented in the UK by people with Indian cultural heritage. That’s about as concise a description as you can get without running into difficulties of definition - there’s no consistent way of defining what “being a dish” means without running into contradictions.

In fact General Tso’s is the perfect counter-example: Multiple Chinese people have told me they enthusiastically disown General Tso’s Chicken and explicitly call it American food. So if we say “a dish belongs to a country if it’s invented there”, then Tikka Masala is British (which I agree “feels” wrong); but if we say “a dish belongs to a country if it was inspired by the cuisine of that country”, then General Tso’s is Chinese, which, apparently not!

And that’s without even considering the question of how far “back” you should go with inspiration - what if a dish was inspired by how the Indians used food they got from the Persians who traded it with the Chinese - is it Indian food or Chinese food? (Idk if that’s historically nonsense, but you get my point) Why is the most-recent ancestor more important than the environment of creation?

Enekk ,

I respectfully disagree with one major caveat. I’ll get that out of the way first; I think there should be a name for these foods that recognize the creators (e.g. Italian American food is American food that comes from Italian immigrants). We’ve traditionally been bad at giving credit or, worse, using names to mark a cuisine as “other” and weird.

The thing is that there really isn’t a food of a place. People use ingredients that are available and use techniques from the people around them. When cultures interact, they create remixes of cuisine that take unfamiliar ingredients and techniques and create something new.

Let me use the food of my own home, New Mexico, as an example. The food of the region is a mixture of Spanish colonizers, later Mexican immigrants, and Native American foods using a crazy combination of techniques and ingredients from all three. It isn’t Spanish food. It isn’t Mexican food. It isn’t Native American food. It is New Mexican food, a thing that arose from a place and its history. Now, with Asian immigrants moving in, the food has started to incorporate stuff from those cultures too.

foo ,

Is deep dish pizza considered American, Italian, or culinary cancer?

Bene7rddso ,

Definitely Not Italian

T1000 ,

Dutch and British food isn’t bad, unless your a yank that only eats things pumped full of sugar.

JungleJim ,

No we asked mainland Europe and they agreed.

2Password2Remember ,

dutch and british food is dogshit lol. how many italian restaurants are there in the UK vs. how many british restaurants are there in italy?

Death to America

JamesConeZone ,
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

You mean you don’t want your pickled eggs served by blackface Santa? smdutchh

T1000 , (edited )

Spaghetti and pizza aren’t bad but nothing to wank about. Also there’s British and Irish pubs in every city.

CloutAtlas ,

Google “Stargazy pie”

Google “Jellied eels”

Google “mushy peas over chips”

T1000 ,

Google chicken livers, scrapple, hot dogs, deep fried butter, hersheys chocolate. All pretty gross.

windowlicker ,
@windowlicker@hexbear.net avatar

don’t make me bring up the mountain of grease-soaked fried foods that brits find acceptable as a meal. even as an american, i haven’t seen so much fried food in one place. and i’ve been to the southern united states many times.

Satanic_Mills ,

Fat is where the flavour is.

I also made Puri today, and it turns out deep frying bread makes it taste better.

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