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Ilovethebomb ,

Only 30 days?

Lemminary ,

I’m shocked it wasn’t a perms ban, honestly.

Rozauhtuno ,
@Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

They’re being reasonable 😏

Blaze ,
@Blaze@feddit.org avatar

What happened in Libya according to them?

bigboismith OP ,

Poor Gaddafi was attacked by the corrupt NATO, to the disgust of the rest of the world (except that it was resolution by the UN security council).

Blaze ,
@Blaze@feddit.org avatar

Thanks for the reminder, happy cake day

verity_kindle ,

All the happy cake days to you! What will you do with your time without them? ;) EDIT: i.e., without lemmy.ml

Zagorath ,
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except that it was resolution by the UN security council

You mean the Security Council over which Russia has veto power? That UN Security Council?

aleph , (edited )
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Except there is strong evidence that Western powers (predominantly France, the UK and US) created the fiction of Gaddafi being a global supervillain and then used NATO forces to enact regime change in Libya, under the pretext of “preventing civilian casualties”. In fact, the real objective was to secure Libyan oil reserves and open the country up to western markets.

NATO is often used an extension of Western foreign policy. To pretend it is solely a benevolent peace keeper is just as simplistic and naïve as saying that everything the West does is pure evil.

Blaze ,
@Blaze@feddit.org avatar

Interesting, thanks

frezik ,

Gaddafi was a supervillian. Almost literally:

https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/06000fd2-a00e-417d-b988-e2c86574bce9.webp.

It also wasn’t NATO who directly killed him. His own citizens did, and they weren’t kind about how they did it.

NATO also wants stable oil reserves. Both these things can be true.

aleph , (edited )
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He certainly played up to the role, presumably for egotistical reasons, but most of it was sabre rattling bravado. He wasn’t seen as a genuine threat by Western intelligence agencies.

Also, NATO forces didn’t have to kill Gaddafi directly in order to be instrumental to his deposition. Their air strikes were highly effective in destabilizing the regime and empowering opposition forces within Libya. Besides, you only have to look at the history of US intervention in Latin America for many examples of how regime change can be carried out via proxies and rebel groups.

TranscendentalEmpire ,

He certainly played up to the role, presumably for egotistical reasons, but most of it was sabre rattling bravado.

My dude, this ignores like 40 years of him being the most unhinged leader in North Africa. He’s always been a wild card on the global political stage, swinging wildly from befriending revolutionary leftist, and then immediately dumping them for right winged dictators.

The man literally tried to sell surface-to-air missiles to a street gang in Chicago… No one had to make him seem crazy, he was crazy.

Now that doesn’t mean I think the US should have intervened, but I don’t think anyone had to really do any work to make him seem like an insane supervillain.

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

That also overlooks all the times western powers were friendly with Gaddafi. They didn’t mind him following his ascent to power, nor in the post 9-11 period when the U.S. and European countries restored diplomatic ties with Libya, and Western oil companies re-entered the Libyan oil sector.

In 2007, the UK’s Tony Blair visited Libya to strike up energy deals, and France’s Sarkozy met with Gaddafi for military and economic agreements.

Was Gaddafi a supervillain then too, or did he only become one when his interests were no longer aligned with the Western powers?

TranscendentalEmpire ,

That also overlooks all the times western powers were friendly with Gaddafi. They didn’t mind him following his ascent to power, nor in the post 9-11 period when the U.S. and European countries restored diplomatic ties with Libya, and Western oil companies re-entered the Libyan oil sector.

That was my point about him swapping out friends sporadically. Gaddafi had massive swings in political alignment throughout his time as leader of Libya. The reason nato/un could actually make a move on his government without greater political ramifications is because he’s burned every bridge across the political spectrum.

Was Gaddafi a supervillain then too, or did he only become one when his interests were no longer aligned with the Western powers?

Literally yes… Is it that surprising the west would work with a crazy despot that has a bunch of oil?

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

It seems we’re largely in agreement then - that 1) NATO did, in fact, make a move on Gaddafi and 2) the West supported him when it was beneficial but turned on a dime the minute he stopped cooperating.

workerONE ,

US involvement in South America has been brutal- we are responsible for terrorism, murdering innocent people to spread fear, creating civil wars…Societies were torn apart in ways they may never recover from. How can you consider this an option and publicly advocate for it? That’s fucked up

Geometrinen_Gepardi ,

Gaddafi was so popular among Libyans that in the end they dragged him to the street and raped him with a sword. Allegedly.

nonailsleft ,

During Arab Spring, the West was (naively) hoping that Libyans would rise against Gaddafi and create a democraty. When he saw what was happening, he threatened to a) flood Europe with migrants and b) expose Sarkozy’s illegal campaign funds.

a) made him a political adversary, b) made them launch a military campaign to topple him

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

One air campaign in Libya (permitted by UNSCR 1973) > fourteen Russian invasions

Checkmate, Westoids

PugJesus ,

Look, NATO is bad, that’s why it’s absolutely necessary for anti-imperialism purposes that Russia invades its neighbors before they can get into NATO!

lugal ,

Which works about as good as rhe war on terror

PugJesus ,

“Bro just one more invasion bro I swear this time it’ll really solve terrorism Western Imperialism™ for good!”

DarkThoughts ,

https://fedia.io/media/76/de/76ded93945fbb99cefb721f014cdf6d6a46c796d9235f8e5915d63e0e5bc58e6.png

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

Those… aren’t even mutually exclusive opinions? NATO can exist for more than one reason.

maxenmajs ,
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There is only one good opinion at any time, citizen. The correct opinion (my opinion) can change any time, but any different opinion is doubleplusungood.

mindbleach ,

No no no, they said “what about–,” so the argument is over.

cyborganism ,

Wait. Isn’t World News part of Lemmy.world? Not Lemmy.ml?

Quacksalber ,

There are about 15 instances with World News communities currently federated with my instance. lemmy.ml/c/worldnews is the biggest one of them all.

Serinus ,

You can tell this one is .ml by the way the ban happened.

HubertManne ,

I don't even understand the screenshot. it seems like a ban but reads like someons opinion about their opinion about someone else.

prettybunnys ,

The turquoise text is the comment that op made which prompted a .ml admin to ban them.

The bottom text is the mods reasoning.

HubertManne ,

Yeah I get that. I think its because the banned comment is sorta sarcastic so its generalizing the opinion of the thing which then with the ban just gets sorta wierd to read. It feels like the not not not of pinochio from shrek.

prettybunnys ,

Gentle reminder that blocking the entire Lemmy.ml instance has made this place a lot less … tankie

Ghoelian ,

Can you do that yet without your instance just entirely defederating?

CosmicTurtle0 ,

Most apps have a instance block in the settings.

FearfulSalad ,

Sync has it as an app option, and several of the apps I was using prior to sync had something similar.

https://ttrpg.network/pictrs/image/7aeef86c-10c0-4abc-ade6-000c68bafdee.png

This has vastly improved my experience on Lemmy’s Top 6 Hours

modifier ,

Hey that’s my go to default sort as well.

AngryishHumanoid ,

I got banned on a lemmy.ml sub for pointing out a post was misleading, that’s it.

Telodzrum ,

I got banned for posting a ProPublica article in their World News community.

FundMECFSResearch ,

I’m just waiting till the deferation from lemmy.ml

Honytawk ,

I’d be glad if NATO didn’t exist.

It would mean countries wouldn’t feel threatened by their neighbors, and no invasions would happen.

But until that is the case, NATO is necessary.

Boomkop3 ,

So what is nato then?

Boomkop3 ,

Time to block an instance :p

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