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savvywolf ,
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Hasn’t Debian relaxed its stance and now allows you to fairly easily use nonfree software?

linearchaos ,
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Yes this meme is dated. You can run proprietary stuff in bookworm with just a couple of jack boxes.

VindictiveJudge , (edited )
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Yes, but it’s significantly less automatic. Testing distros on an old laptop, Debian wouldn’t support the network card out of the box and I had to use USB tethering from my phone to get the necessary drivers off the internet. Ubuntu just had them in the image and installed them automatically.

oo1 ,

yes, I think the main thing is when the nonfree firmware was included (user can opt-out) as a default at install. So out of the box support for most common hardware became way better.

It was always pretty easy to add nonfree repositories, but having to manually sort out wifi firmware after an install was a pain.

possiblylinux127 ,

Debian includes proprietary software just like Ubuntu does.

CaptainBasculin ,

Ubuntu forks that ditch snap > Ubuntu

TootSweet ,

Yeah, why does Ubuntu keep snap?

Like, WTF is the deal with not having any official way to install Firefox other than snap? Firefox.

ccdfa ,

Because canonical, who make ubuntu, also make snap. So it gets shoved down your throat. This is why I don’t use Ubuntu.

possiblylinux127 ,

This is coming from the same company that put Amazon ads on the dash

bdonvr ,

I wouldn’t even mind snap so much but the day I found out apt would automatically use snaps instead for some packages with no easy options out was a step too far.

Drop it, snaps are dead. All hail FlatPak.

IsoSpandy ,

Use whatever fits your use case. Hell build a LFS distro. That’s why it’s YOUR computer.

The penguin is the messiah of freedom.

kusivittula ,

i would like a Live For Speed distro

DmMacniel ,
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And Xenia is the messiah of…?

Oisteink ,

Sometimes its not my computer though, sometimes its a server at work and it needs pure debian. It does not need snap. It does not need ubuntu-advantage.

istdaslol ,
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Ubuntu is just Debian with adware

tsugu OP ,
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Are the Ubuntu ads in the room with us right now? The only thing I remember is apt telling you about Ubuntu Pro. At that point Plasma is adware too for advertising their donation page.

DmMacniel ,
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remember when Canonical pushed Ads in Unity? That commentator remembers.

Oisteink ,
bdonvr ,

There was the Amazon thing in the launcher years ago

halvar ,

I see you’ve got the spirit of this meme

gregor ,

Saying “you can use Ubuntu pro” is not intrusive at all

DmMacniel , (edited )
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yeah, messing with apt just to push a service really doesn’t sit well. And they don’t stop there, snaps are preferred over apt packages in Ubuntu Land.

oddsys ,

Snaps suck so much!

Rade0nfighter , (edited )
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Do feel it is designed to scare normal users though.

Like how the GUI software updater now shows a list of security updates, and then “there are more security updates available with Ubuntu pro” in the list of updates…. the obvious implication is “you’re computer has other known vulnerabilities that can only be fixed if you pay up”.

Liiittlle bit ransomey and let be honest that’s by design.

Wouldn’t consider myself part of the anti canonical pitchfork crowd but that new behaviour did irk me somewhat.

If Microsoft did that people would be up in arms. Appreciate canonical provide Ubuntu is free but normal users wouldn’t get that nuance as they don’t think they pay for windows.

Oisteink ,

No - and if they left it at that it would be great. I had to clean up 25 devices that had ububtu Lts, and that advantage had enabled the repos for thst shit, so apt wouldnt even do a dist-upgrade to prepare for do-release-upgrade.

Its not just the OS either, they are cancer to oss with their mixed «community» and enterprise stuff.

They only ever open source as little as they can.

Sell services, not code

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