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d_k_bo ,

I don’t like it. He is just perpetuating the endless stereotypes that plague linux and harm linux adoption.

If you are using a somewhat stable distro and don’t have weird hardware, you don’t need to “write your own driver” etc. A lot more people “punch themselves in the face” by using a buggy, ad infested, data harvesting operating system even though they just need a web browser.

Observer1199 ,

Get thicker skin. You’ve no problem criticizing windows, so have some humility and realise Linux is not perfect. And it’s a joke. Learn to laugh at yourself

d_k_bo ,

It think this comment explains it really well: sh.itjust.works/comment/13239406

TheTechnician27 , (edited )
@TheTechnician27@lemmy.world avatar

It’s legitimately staggering to me how much easier to maintain Linux is for the average use case than Windows. No messing with drivers; has preinstalled what’s essentially a GUI app store to manage literally all of my applications; updates that don’t require a restart; no bullshit with licensure; a trivial install process with zero dark patterns; no malware; and I could just keep going. Linux has faults with the UX, but having switched to it from Windows about a year ago, it’s extremely evident why this stereotype is perpetuated in spite of Linux being the sort of OS I would recommend to my grandma over Windows: nose blindness.

When Linux genuinely improves the ease of use over Windows, Windows users don’t even recognize it as a problem. Like imagine if the roles were reversed where on Windows I could just click a button, type in my password, and update every single one of my applications at once, but on Linux, I had to individually open any given app and check for updates manually. Windows users would rightfully be bemoaning that as too complicated for a lot of users and bitching about how tedious it is to maintain (in the case of Windows, updating is a bizarre patchwork whose difficulty depends on the application’s developers). But since it’s a problem they’ve become nose blind to, when Linux actually fixes this obviously ridiculous issue Windows has, it’s seen as “not a big deal anyway”.

WhyJiffie ,

updates that don’t require a restart

I’m a huge Linux fan but that wasn’t my experience. My experience was apps getting borked by attempting to load the updated versions of libs and communicating with a half-updated system where they don’t understand each other. For example with KDE I often had the experience that after updating packages, even the shutdown and similar buttons don’t work in the start menu. They were doing nothing, and when I looked at system logs, I have seen some failure with starting that confirmation overlay with the countdown. But similar experience with Firefox too.

Somehow it does not happen on my laptop, even though I use the same distro and still KDE. But on the desktop it was predictably happening, and the worst part was that I was still new with how a desktop works (technically) on Linux so I could not even troubleshoot it, while the system was actively falling apart. By the way, I still don’t know what the fuck was happening, or how would I diag it.

TheTechnician27 ,
@TheTechnician27@lemmy.world avatar

Upvoted because your experience is valid, but I will say that mercifully so far, I haven’t had this issue personally. Instead, rather, my Windows 10 installation is basically broken because MS pushed an update that requires it to enlarge the recovery partition, but because there’s another OS past the recovery partition, it can’t. So whenever I use it now, I need to wait for it to try updating itself, recognize that it failed, and then undo the updates and boot again (the entire process takes 10+ minutes). I only use this partition for emergencies where something critical absolutely won’t work on Linux, but it’s still hilarious to me that this happened shortly after I abandoned ship.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I mean you could say the same about Microsoft and they would both be totally true.

calcopiritus ,

Hardware doesn’t need to be too weird. Back when I bought my laptop, it was a kinda recent model so most of its features didn’t work in Ubuntu (I say Ubuntu because it’s the distro that worked best. Tried many others and they had even worse support). After a year or so it worked mostly, except some things.

To this day, 4 years later, the display brightness control still doesn’t work correctly.

I don’t think hiding the problems do any good. The Linux desktop/laptop experience is not good, specially for non-programmers. It’s usable, but not good.

MudMan ,

Man, the lack of a sense of humor in this thread is palpable. Can cut the harrumph with a knife.

onlinepersona ,

Some people just don’t have a sense of humor 🤷‍♂

I spent the day yesterday trying to get kubuntu to update to the new LTS on a friend’s laptop. All because plasma5 was being slow at login. Well, after a few hours, it was finally updated and we spent another 2 trying to find out why plasma6 was now slow.

The whole time I was thinking “why the hell did the update require the command-line” and “this feels like punching myself in the face”. I wanted a quiet, productive saturday and spent it on linux instead.

Ubuntu is not ready for non-technical folk in these cases. Without me as support, my friend would’ve been lost on the “most user-friendly distro”.

Linux is amazing tech and the ecosystem built around it is better than windows and mac for many things, but still fails at random, supposedly simple tasks. Yes, windows and mac too, but it’s much more visible on linux.

Matt Parker also wrote a linux driver himself! Much respect.

Anti Commercial-AI license

red ,

then what about windows users punching themselves in face with trackers and ads WHILE PAYING

sarchar ,

I like the part where your every move is screencapped definitely not at all “uploaded”

neidu2 ,

Wholeheartedly agree. But the alternative is like a neck massage with a chainsaw, by a trained torturer. It costs money.

PsychedSy ,

I feel like a torturer wants to spread the pain over time, so he’s there using a Bosch mini chainsaw, slowly carving flesh away.

tourist ,
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

all while they clockwork orange your eyes and show you nothing but ads

AnokLola ,

Lol it’s acually funny

idegenszavak ,

If you tell this joke in a linux community, its funny. If you tell it to someone who doesnt know what linux is, its not

AnokLola ,

Of course, I agree with you.

Naich ,
@Naich@lemmings.world avatar

This would probably be funnier if it made any sense

Supervisor194 ,
@Supervisor194@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah. He must be talking to a crowd that he figures can take a guess, but I wouldn’t think that such a crowd would find it very funny. A normie crowd would just have no idea wtf he means at all.

Jumuta ,

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CosmicTurtle0 , (edited )

This was true maybe 20 years ago.

I’ve been using Linux as my daily driver for a bit longer than that and it’s only been recently in the last year I’ve come across two issues that are preventing me from doing what I want.

Edit: now only one. I solved one of them just now.

SaharaMaleikuhm ,

Bro is doing maths for fun, but can’t comprehend sb using linux? Least he could do is try to be funny.

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