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NaoPb ,

Can you imagine not having depth perception because of your hairstyle?

dutchkimble ,

Or being an anime body

Lumisal ,

Or existing in 2D

Tebbie ,

I guess I’m behind in times as wouldn’t emulation cause the game to be slower on Linux than on Windows?

I tried switching to Linux when I was a kid, but figured out quickly that my scrap computer could only play my games natively. I’m not sure how it wouldn’t always be slower on Linux unless the game was built for Linux.

recarsion ,

One would think that, but I’ve seen many claims that it actually runs faster. I wouldn’t know personally, I haven’t used Windows in 5 years

Seasm0ke ,

So from my experience, I replaced my 8+ year old omen laptop with an MSI 3 years ago then installed garuda on the omen. Tested some games on each and the performance was similar until graphics were set to ultra just dye to the hardware difference. Before installing linux that laptop performance was struggling, so it really breathed life back into it and made it viable again. Hell my wife uses it to play stardew valley now and I used it to play ffxiv a few times.

Tebbie ,

Maybe it’s a case of less bloat in Linux over Windows?

vividspecter , (edited )

The translation is more like a reimplementation, and sometimes that reimplementation is faster than native. But it’s also because the Linux kernel is faster in some areas, and typically more memory efficient too.

And it’s partly also the quality of GPU drivers, especially in the case of AMD (although they have been getting better on the Windows side in recent years).

labsin ,

It’s not really emulation. It’s running on the same architecture and most of the windows libraries can be used as is with mostly only the win32 library that needs to be wrapped. That already existed for years as wine. It’s mostly graphics and peripherals that are broken.

The most important thing proton added to improve gaming was a DirectX translation layer that translates to Vulcan and also loads of fixes and additions to wine.

Not a lot of games run faster but apparently in some situations, the Vulcan precompiled shaders seem to run better than native windows, although that probably means they could make their native version better as well. For older games, the Vulcan translation layer is a lot more efficient and faster than native. Also CPU and IO heavy games might run faster on the Linux kernel.

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

deep inhale

WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR

It is a translation layer. All it’s doing is intercepting syscalls embedded in the executable process by presenting what looks like an interface for the kernel it is trying to call, but is actually a translation layer to the true host kernel, mapping the Windows syscalls to their near-equivalent for the Linux kernel. This differs from emulation as the calls are being translated at a higher level whereas emulators translate the low level machine code sent to the processor.

So Proton and Wine essentially just pretend to be the core Windows processes and services a Windows environment provides to applications. It’s a Windows interface to a Linux kernel on the backend. And virtually every syscall on Linux will always be faster than on Windows/NT. So you get faster syscall responses with a neglible and wholly insubstantial added overhead that I would reckon is hard to quantify because it is in fact so damn small that the only way I can think of to observe it is to attach a debugger, which slows down the application process notably so that human’s can peer into the execution stack.

TL;DR: no, Windows applications have theoretically been faster on Linux than they ever were on Windows since Wine’s inception.

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

really did not expect today to be my turn to recite the infamous WINE homily. Whoever sends out the t-shirts, I’m a men’s x large, hopefully there are still some of that size unclaimed

Tebbie ,

Thanks for the information, no need for the deep inhale lol.

Jayjader ,

In case you’re unaware, the “deep inhale” is because that phrasing is historically tied to the WINE project, as per their website (winehq.org):

Wine (originally an acronym for “Wine Is Not an Emulator”)

And at this point it’s like a 10-year old meme (if not 20) to bring it up when someone may seem unaware of the distinction between emulation and what Wine does.

It is a bit tired of a reference, and I imagine somewhat off-putting of a response to receive when you don’t know the reference yourself. The acronym is in the spirit of the GNU one (“GNU’s Not Unix”), and as the other commenters have explained the fact that wine does something different than emulation is very relevant when you get into the nitty-gritty details, so it has extra sticking power in terms of memes in linux/foss communities.

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

This exactly. I’d had a long day and never before had the opportunity to be first in a thread to reply with “Wine Is Not an Emulator”, so I got over-excited and typed that all out so I could get that sweet dopamine rush.

WaxedWookie ,

I think you mean:

Wine is not an emulator ^is ^not ^an ^emulator ^^is ^^not ^^an ^^emulator ^^^is ^^^not ^^^an ^^^emulator ^^^^is ^^^^not ^^^^an ^^^^emulator ^^^^^is ^^^^^not ^^^^^an ^^^^^emulator ^^^^^^…

BCsven ,

Others replied about WINE translation layer, but once binary is loaded in memory the kernel juat runs the code it does not care that it is linux or windows code, because to the systembit is chip instructions. It is why LinuxOS was fully able to run DOS way back when

Laser ,

Unreal Tournament 2k4 on one of the earlier Ubuntus, back when ShipIt was still a thing. Most have been around 2005 or 2006, as I used it in my mom’s flat which I moved out of in 2006.

I also played some games on an old version of Suse Linux back in 2001 or so? Maybe earlier? There was this game where you had to manage public transport in a city. Looked for that game recently but nothing came up. Also Kartoffelknülch back then. I tried to get some distributions running (like Mandrake) but only Suse somewhat worked. Being 14 and English not being your mother tongue doesn’t help with documentation when nobody in your family knows stuff about computers.

llii ,

It’s not OpenTTD maybe?

Laser , (edited )

Definitely not

The fact that I can’t seem to find traces of this game online makes me think that maybe my memory is wrong? But also hard to find information from back when the internet wasn’t flooded with stuff

lea ,

I liked playing osu! on Linux through Wine since it offered much lower audio and input latency than you could achieve on Windows. Minecraft has also always been a safe bet on Linux (unless you enabled shaders, then it just turned into a visual abomination for just about every shaderpack).

Generally OpenGL games weren’t too bad, DirectX however… the biggest change here was DXVK rather than Proton.

Never thought we’d get to where we are now.

chrishazfun ,

When all I was playing was browser games and Minecraft like 10 years ago

ipacialsection ,
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There was still Wine, and PlayOnLinux helped further, but when I looked for a game I wanted to play on WineDB, there was no guarantee it even had an entry, and if it wasn’t listed as “platinum”, the chance of you experiencing any reported issue was very high.

Not to mention, playing Steam games that weren’t native was an impossibility.

Thankfully I was more of a console gamer at the time, and I got a lot of enjoyment out of the few games that received Linux ports - like Team Fortress 2!

marzhall ,

My eve online circa 2008-10 was on Linux, as well as other not-entirely well remembered attempts dating back to around 2005, when I was more interested in spinny cube desktop. Fglrx and I were well acquainted, but not quite friends.

ordellrb ,

Ah yes, mostly Portal and Portal2 and LBreakout2

Hubi ,

I hated Windows 8 enough to put up with it at the time. It’s nuts how much things have improved since then.

sirico ,
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Basically some Source games, Gog’s offerings and Guild Wars in-between rounds of tuxkart

possiblylinux127 ,

Insert Tuxkart music

electromage ,

WoW runs well under Wine without much trouble.

bitwaba ,

And it has for like 15 years.

keyez ,

10 years ago back in college I mainly ran Ubuntu and did the windows VM with VFIO GPU passthrough to game on a fullscreen windows VM that got full PCI usage of the GPU, was the best of both worlds

whyNotSquirrel ,
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Does Teeworld count?

possiblylinux127 ,

The last time I played that game I was immediately kicked due to “skill issue”

Its good you like it though, I just wish there was local version

whyNotSquirrel ,
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there’s no more local version? I’m talking back in my time at school in 2009. We were playing with the classmates on our laptop in classes with a wifi router not connected to internet

stoy ,

OpenTTD worked excellent on Ubuntu on my Dell E5400 back in 2009-2011 or so.

TheFadingOne ,

I started gaming on Linux at the beginning of 2019, that was afaik half a year after Proton was released, and I still remember how rough around the edges it was. Back then it still felt somewhat like a coin flip (the odds in reality were obviously a good deal better) if a game ran. Seeing how much they improved it over the last 5 years is really quite something.

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