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UnfortunateShort , (edited )

Isn’t it amazing how you can “SWAT” (from the looks of it that weren’t special forces btw.) someone by knocking on the door, instead of blasting through it and charging in, ready to shoot anything that moves?

That’s something you can do if you don’t have to be afraid of shotguns and full-auto rifles when going into random people’s houses.

ardorhb ,
@ardorhb@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Really hope they find the caller and bring him to court. I mean both streamer and police are the victims here.

At least it hasn’t been a actual SEK unit (SWAT in Germany) they look more like normal patrol officers. But nevertheless it’s unacceptable.

ahriboy ,
@ahriboy@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Swatting in Europe isn’t really virulent as police agencies have safeguards against false calls. There was a case of high-profile swatting in the UK, cops softly banged the door and didn’t brandish the guns so fast unlike in America.

Blue_Morpho ,

Some people take tabs vs spaces too seriously.

zante ,

If your front door gets kicked in, this is why.

aasatru ,
@aasatru@kbin.earth avatar

How the fuck can Swatting be such a common thing in America. I have never heard about it in any other country.

(This is, of course, a rhetorical question. I know the answer is that American police is beyond incompetent.)

clmbmb ,

Did you even try to watch the clip? It’s not even in the US! This is the scary part.

Quackdoc ,
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

This is always felt really weird to me in general because on one hand you do have a lot of over aggressive police officers in the States but on the other hand you also have a lot of police officers who are like been through the drill and are just calm as fuck about it.

I feel like the immediate pucker factor would be nine times higher if you’re in the States, but then it either goes to shit real fast or settles down real fast.

Quackdoc ,
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

This would be a great comment if this was America…

Questy ,
@Questy@lemmy.world avatar

As others mentioned, this isn’t America. Also, fraudulent calls to emergency services is a criminal offense, people who do this are usually charged and fined, or even given jail time. It’s not like it’s accepted or mainstream behavior, people just do stupid things and when combined with stupid cops it has led to tragic outcomes. In this video they seem to show up, which they HAVE to do, place the occupant in precautionary detainment, verify there is no crime underway, and release him. They would probably then take a statement, then the next thing would be to get a warrant for the call records and charge the dipshit that started the incident.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Its not incompetence. Its by design. The more SWAT goes out, the more they’re justified. SWAT teams exist to increase the spending of police. Those expenditures go to military contractors.

Its the same reason the US is ceaselessly involved in war since WW2. For money.

ApeNo1 ,

Microsoft CodeCop does not mess about but in fairness he was using identical names for local and global variables.

krimson ,
@krimson@lemmy.world avatar

Wtf. Anyone have the back story on this?

Buffalox ,

How is “someone called” enough evidence to enter peoples homes and arrest them?
These officers should lose their job,

MyNameIsRichard , (edited )
@MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml avatar

Well, I guess if someone calls and says you have kidnapped a little girl and that they have seen you with a gun, the police can’t take a chance that it’s hoax. All phone numbers that call the police should be logged and if it turns out to be a hoax, traced, so people who make hoax calls can be arrested and prosecuted.

Buffalox ,

If they enter his home, and there is no evidence of a crime, then what is the basis for the arrest?
One thing is to investigate the truth of a call, another is to act on it as if it’s verbatim truth.

Blue_Morpho ,

Was he arrested? I don’t see follow up. It only says he was handcuffed which would be standard until they know what’s going on.

Buffalox ,

OK, here it’s the other way around, you don’t normally handcuff somebody unless they are arrested.

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

You get handcuffed as a precaution. You do not have to be arrested. You can het handcuffed on a traffic stop if the officer decides they have cause to search your car. Etc.

SplashJackson , (edited )

Some cops will go a step further and shoot you first; as a precaution, of course.

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Or your dog. Safety first!

sugartits ,

Factually inaccurate.

tpihkal ,

Being detained while an investigation is conducted is not being arrested.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Usually swat teams break a lot of your shit, maybe kill a baby, and then leave without arresting you.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Don’t need to arrest the suspect if they’re dead taps forehead

freewheel ,

It’s not technically an arrest. In a high-stakes call, the police will typically detain everybody until they can figure out what’s going on. That means potential victims as well as potential attackers. It’s a safety measure.

Bitrot ,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

They are logged, but swatting people get around it. They are suspicious “looking” calls, but so are bomb threats.

Swatting is pretty much always a blocked number to a non-emergency line. If they are traced it is typically one of those free online voip services. It takes work and access to really get from A to B, which is why it only happens when there are awful results.

In the US at least, 911 gets special access and calling it will always get you to your local dispatch (unless you have voip with the wrong account address). Non-emergency is just a normal phone number. If someone wants to call from out of the area or hide their number, non-emergency is how they have to do it. This is suspicious because in a real situation like “I just shot my dad” or whatever they say, nobody is taking time to look up non-emergency.

Quackdoc ,
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

I strongly disagree with this. Police should be given permission to do these things. Very rapidly with little evidence so long as they’re handled right.

In fact, this is one of those cases where it looks like it was handled right. He went to the door, came in, and it sounds like they were invited in. He was not arrested immediately and thrown to the ground. Yes it sucks, But there are very much very many cases where it is absolutely necessary.

Rather than them not being able to do it, I absolutely believe they should be allowed to do it. Just be more strict on how it’s handled.

Buffalox ,

Maybe this was done properly, but I was thrown off by the handcuff bit, here it’s not normal to handcuff somebody who cooperates.

Quackdoc ,
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

To be clear, handcuffing does not mean you’re being arrested, it means you’re being detained. It’s not about them getting you ready to take you away. It’s about them verifying that you’re not a threat.

Whatever the claim was, whatever the claim was. Being bogus obviously, but it was bad enough that the police felt they had the need to break in and clear before proceeding any further, which means they were probably told he was a threat.

I always felt like people put too much stock into being handcuffed or not, yet it sucks. I’ve been handcuffed before, In a similar but not nearly as severe circumstance.

It’s not meant as a punishment. It is just protecting the officers who arrive on scene because yes, people do cooperate and then they pull out of knife or gun and try to kill the first responders.

Buffalox ,

Yes, but I still don’t believe an anonymous caller should have this kind of weight. If it’s not anonymous however it should.
But then there should also be a possibility of the caller facing charges on an obviously false accusation.
So the caller needs to be verified before going to extremes.

Quackdoc ,
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

There are lots of times when you need to act on anonymity. For one, many people who report crimes that happen to others they witness, if it has happened to them, will absolutely refuse to give out any identifiable information, especially if those crimes are… sexual in nature.

Are you saying that if someone like this reports said crime, the police should not act on it? I strongly disagree, I do think officers need to be more forth coming about why something is happening, and why someone is being treated X way, but I still believe 100% that officers should act on it.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

It is a punishment in the form of public humiliation, taking your autonomy, and dehumanizing you. People will automatically assume you’ve done something wrong if you’re in handcuffs.

Quackdoc ,
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

If you feel humiliated because you have been placed in handcuffs, That’s really just a personal issue. How is it a form of public humiliation? It’s a safety precaution. Anyone who doesn’t understand that safety comes first should be the ones feeling humiliated.

I myself have never once felt dehumanized, nor humiliated being placed in handcuffs. Yeah people will assume you have done wrong, that sucks, but people will really quickly change their minds when you aren’t put head first into the back of a cop car. Personally I would feel 100% more humiliated if an officer looked at me, and thought he didn’t need to cuff me :/

BlueSquid0741 ,

Sounds like bootlicker talk to me.

octopus_ink ,

I always felt like people put too much stock into being handcuffed or not

Too much stock? Your bodily autonomy is being removed, under overt threat of further violence if you resist. It’s humiliating if seen in that condition because of assumptions people make. For someone who has done nothing wrong why the fuck wouldn’t they be indignant?

I’ve been handcuffed before, In a similar but not nearly as severe circumstance.

Me too, and I knew that they at least had a reason to think I was up to no good (I was not), it’s not the same as literally minding your own business in your own home and having them barge in. Not really apples to apples to this situation here.

Quackdoc ,
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

Too much stock? Your bodily autonomy is being removed, under overt threat of further violence if you resist. It’s humiliating if seen in that condition because of assumptions people make. For someone who has done nothing wrong why the fuck wouldn’t they be indignant?

Perhaps if you don’t understand what police officers go through, I could see it. People do make assumptions yes, but those assumptions go away pretty damn quickly when people see you being uncuffed too.

Me too, and I knew that they at least had a reason to think I was up to no good (I was not), it’s not the same as literally minding your own business in your own home and having them barge in. Not really apples to apples to this situation here.

Perhaps I’m guilty of omission, if you were cuffed and thrown to the floor for no reason, I could understand being angry, however if you are explained why you are being detained which as I said, I think this case was handled right, can’t say I understand german so perhaps i am mistaken, there is no reason why you should feel humiliated.

every time I have witnessed, or was handcuffed myself, the reasons were always explained, specifically in my case, I was told I was being detained and restrained for the safety of the first responders.

octopus_ink ,

I don’t disagree with you about this specific case, I was reacting to your “people put too much stock in being cuffed.” Removing another person’s bodily autonomy under direct threat of violence is just another day for police, but for the rest of us it’s a pretty fucking traumatic thing to be on the other end of.

Perhaps if you don’t understand what police officers go through, I could see it.

I understand they can pick a different job if it’s too much for them, and that they knew what the job entailed when they picked the career in the first place.

Quackdoc ,
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

Removing another person’s bodily autonomy under direct threat of violence is just another day for police, but for the rest of us it’s a pretty fucking traumatic thing to be on the other end of.

I don’t think it’s traumatic at all if the police handle it right, as I predicated earlier. Police in most cases don’t need to throw you to the ground, don’t need to scream at you etc. It does happen yes, and it absolutely shouldn’t happen unless there is an extremely good reason for it. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m specifically saying, if the police handle it right, it’s not traumatizing nor humiliating

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

How often does it end up saving peoples lives though?

lily33 ,

I don’t know - but I’m willing to get those instances where people were saved weren’t calls from anonymous voip numbers.

abbiistabbii ,
@abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

So (not to) fun fact: Keffals, who was targeted by KiwiFarms for being trans (yes that’s all) and got Swatted. She then went to stay with another streamer (EllenFromNowOn) in Northern Ireland. Just for information sake, Northern Ireland is still a bit rocky security wise, Police there still carry guns on the regular. So when she went there, Ellen called up the police and explained the situation to them (they had never heard of Swatting weirdly enough).

Sure enough, someone found her flat, posted her address (with a message referencing a Unionist Slogan, Ellen was from the Catholic Community), and sure enough, the police came. Instead of raiding her all guns blasing (which they normally would) they saw the warning, knocked on the door, saw nothing was wrong, called off the squaddies, and came in to basically make sure everything was okay.

Bare in mind, this was in Northern Ireland, a place where the Police still drive Armored cars and have regular riots, and they handled this better than the Police in London, Ontario.

gravitas_deficiency , (edited )

Yeah the cops on this side of the pond are crazy, and their leadership staff tend to fall a lot further into the “complete psycho” side of the human spectrum.

Thanks for sharing that story though - the dichotomy is absolutely fucking wild, especially considering we’re talking about Northern Ireland.

tpihkal ,

How often are police tipped off before hand that someone is anticipating being SWATed though?

That situation is practically unheard of so it’s impossible to know how police in the US would respond.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Yeah, that’s definitely a quandary. But in the case of people who know the might be (or have been previously) targeted with that sort of bullshit, it’s a prudent precaution in the US (and Canada too, evidently)

finley ,

As an American, I read this, and it made me me want to cry

Elaine ,

As an American reading this, I kept wondering when the mayhem and death would occur.

zante ,

Regular riots in Northern Ireland. ?

mbirth ,

In the comments the victim said that the police said it were two emails they got. Not even a call.

unexposedhazard ,

This is such an obviously dumb take its unbelievabe anyone would come up with it. Ofcourse the cops need to respond to a call of someone claiming to be assaulted/abused/murdered. There is no issue with this at all. The issue that CAN arise is that bad police training might lead to someone getting actually hurt in a raid like this. But thats an entirely different issue.

Buffalox ,

Ofcourse the cops need to respond

Yes, but then there’s the matter of HOW they respond.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

To make more money for the weapons manufacturers.

SWAT teams didn’t always has exist. Many would argued they should not exist. But if they no longer exited, police would spend less money in military style equipment.

Police don’t care if SWATing is harming people. The just need to keep their expenses high, and SWAT teams are great for that.

UnfortunateShort ,

He probably wasn’t arrested. It sounds like the police handcuffed him while checking whether he was indeed alone and then asked about what he was doing at his computer. After he explained, they asked him to turn off the stream, at which point I would assume he was freed again.

I assume they went on to explain the situation and then questioned him. If there is no evidence of any crime, they will just take his personals so they can contact him on any development. He is the victim of a crime after all.

jaggedrobotpubes ,

Microsoft really is getting worse.

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