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merthyr1831 ,

This is a regular occurrence and honestly we need to stop recommending dual boot. Use separate drives if you need to, but sharing the same drive is destined to brick something

IncogCyberspaceUser ,

Does having Linux and Windows on seperate drives mitigate this issue somewhat?
Wanting to start dual booting and moving to windows. Wondering if that helps at all.

JackDavies ,

I keep Linux and windows on separate disks, grub or windows boot manager don’t know about each other. I have the Linux disk as the primary boot, if I need to boot into windows i use the bios boot selection screen. It’s a bit of a pain at times(have to mash F12 to get the bios boot menu) bit it’s less of a headache than trying to fix grub

nik282000 ,
@nik282000@lemmy.ca avatar

I took this approach as well but I let Grub add Windows as a boot option. No mashing keys at post and Windows doesn’t get to touch Grub or Debian.

0x0 ,

If you can, put Windows in a VM instead.

slembcke ,

Doesn’t Windows break dual booting semi-regularly? I’ve always avoided it as I’ve had friends get burned by this in the past. I guess I just keep different OSes on different drives, but that obviously isn’t feasible for everyone.

NauticalNoodle ,

I know that used to be the case. It’s why I stopped trying to use a dual-booting system and instead just installed windows in Virtualbox.

BigMikeInAustin ,

Yeah, it did get me to stop also a dual boot with Linux. I’m mostly Windows, so I’ve just used Linux in VMs.

NiPfi ,

So they were trying to patch systems that use GRUB for Windows-only installs? What a load of BS. Why would anybody install GRUB to boot only Windows with that? Or am I overlooking something?

Furthermore, if GRUB has a security issue, they should’ve contributed a patch at the source instead of patching it themselves somehow. I’m a bit stunned at the audacity of touching unmounted filesystems in an OS patch. Good thing Windows still doesn’t include EXT4 and BTRFS drivers because they might start messing with unencrypted Linux system drives at this rate

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

They updated the system key store to invalidate known vulnerable boot configurations. One of those configurations was old versions of Grub, which had a pre-boot exploit a couple of years ago.

The issue has already been patched for years, but it appears some Linux distros never bothered to update their system configuration. Not sure if this is a shortcoming of Grub or one of the distro maintainers that were affected, though.

In fact, Microsoft tried to not apply this patch on dual boot systems, leaving them vulnerable but working, but clearly their detection failed. I think their detection required chainloading the Windows bootloader or something?

Either way, the only Linux file that Windows will ever touch with updates is the “fallback for when the boot configuration is completely fucked” bootloader, which both Linux and Windows overwrite after installation, incase the boot configuration gets completely fucked. If you’re relying on that bootloader, you were always going to get fucked by some update eventually; either your installation failed or your motherboard is broken.

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

I agree they should have sent a patch to the grub source, but keep in mind big software companies like microsoft, Verizon, … do not allow software developers to send a patch or PR to open source projects. This is because in their contract it states that all code written on and during company times is owned by the company. This means that it is impossible for them to make a patch or PR because it would conflict with the projects licence and fact its open source.

Its a terrible thing, and it shouldnt be, but thats the fact of the world atm.

pupbiru ,

this changes nothing: microsoft should have sent a patch remains microsoft should have sent a patch; internal policies are irrelevant to actions and effecting external projects

nous ,

What? Microsoft have written and released and contributed to many open source projects - they created vscode for one. They are even one of the top contributors to the Linux kernel.

tired_n_bored ,

Not true. A lot of commonly known closed source companies contribute to open source software, including Linux and BSD

CrabAndBroom ,

In the mind of Microsoft, Windows is the only OS and all things on computers exist to facilitate Windows.

z00s ,

Microsoft

spaghettiwestern ,

Not the first time. I thought a Windows 10 update wiped grub, but Microsoft actually deleted my entire Linux partition. Others have experienced the same thing.

Windows is required for a couple of apps I need with no alternatives, but the only way it runs on any of my computers is in a VM.

kaidelorenzo ,
@kaidelorenzo@lemmy.today avatar

I guess I switch to single boot Fedora Silverblue just in time

h0bbl3s ,
@h0bbl3s@lemmy.world avatar

I dual booted a few times back in the days of winxp and win7. Never had a good experience somehow windows or a grub update always messed up things. Haven’t ran windows in years but when I have to it goes on a separate drive now.

sentient_loom ,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

“wasn’t supposed to”

0x0 ,

Are you quoting CroudStrike?

cmnybo ,

That’s what happens when you don’t keep windows locked inside a virtual machine.

xavier666 ,

Microsoft breaks bootloader and nixes Linux partition

Microsoft: “patch seems to be working as intended”

faizalr ,
@faizalr@fedia.io avatar

It is a time for a single linux boot.

jeena ,
@jeena@piefed.jeena.net avatar

I never did dual boot. The first time moving from windows 2000 to Linux, my hard drive was only 2 GB and I couldn't fit both of the OS:es on it, so I nuked the windows one.

azimir ,

At one point my 1GB disk was the “big one” in the dorm. It was the windows share of some random media. I had room for the whole 40MB videos “Jesus vs Frosty” (The Spirit of Christmas) and “Jesus vs Santa Claus”. It was before South Park became an actual show, but people watched those 100’s of times off my hard drive.

When I bought a 3GB from Fry’s it was an open question how we’d fill it. Of course, that was just as the mp3 codec started to gain traction… Problem solved.

faizalr ,
@faizalr@fedia.io avatar

That is freedom.

thingsiplay ,

How do people use Windows with confidence, with stories like these?

octopus_ink ,

stockholm syndrome

just_another_person ,

Well, you can just fix the bootloader, but that’s not super exciting I guess.

Ensign_Crab ,

People who dual boot are likely to be linux newbies just trying it out. They’re more likely to blame linux when microsoft does what it does to competitors.

MagnumDovetails ,

I dual boot and am maybe considered a newbie. But I’ve had this set up for about a year slowly preparing to stop using Microsoft crap. It’s part of a longer path to digital privacy that was kicked into gear when the win 11 update made my Wi-Fi card disappear, like gone- like it was never installed. Fuck HP and Microsoft

Ironically I had disabled secure boot to try another distro. Was going to drop Ubuntu for something else, still might but no rush, plenty to learn.

obbeel OP ,

It’s not just about privacy. Linux and open source communities are a safespace for a novel way of doing things.

MagnumDovetails ,

I’ve noticed that, I also appreciate you can kinda tinker which I appreciate. It’s wild being so accustomed to the limited control you have from using windows and mainstream software

ThunderChunk ,

As a noob myself I can suggest KDE Neon. It’s quite similar to Windows. I switched 2 of my machines over and when the security updates stop for Windows 10 my gaming machine will switch also. I’m very satisfied 6 months in.

floofloof ,

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is another good distro that uses KDE.

Unquote0270 ,

That’s not necessarily true, I dual boot and I’ve been using Linux for my main OS for about 15 years now. I rarely use mine but it is useful/needed occasionally.

Ensign_Crab ,

Hence “are likely to be,” not “are always.”

Unquote0270 ,

Your assessment of probability is speculation and I didn’t suggest you meant “always”.

jeena ,
@jeena@piefed.jeena.net avatar

Good intention, shit execution.

Ensign_Crab ,

If Microsoft didn’t have a decades-long record of pulling shit like this, they might get the benefit of the doubt.

Shadow ,
@Shadow@lemmy.ca avatar

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

Ensign_Crab ,

Microsoft has been consistently “stupid” for a very long time about this one particular thing.

octopus_ink ,

Stupidity doesn’t adequately explain the number of times they have done this. I’m surprised it’s even a headline anymore.

PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S ,
@PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

Emphasis mine. Incompetence on Microsoft’s part is not an adequate explanation for this latest action matching a pattern of other actions designed to antagonize FOSS users.

TheGrandNagus ,

I hate this phrase.

A lot of the time, people (and especially monopolistic, tax-dodging, $3.2 trillion multinationals with a long history of anti-competitive behaviour) really are just cunts.

Time and time again, we see big companies doing anything they can to destroy competition, mislead customers, etc.

Never attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained by malice.

NauticalNoodle ,

In business and politics “malice” and “stupidity/incompetence” are one and the same.

pupbiru ,

stupidity is a once-off

malice is a pattern

and even if it’s not malicious, a pattern of stupid action needs to be stopped just as much as malicious action

0x0 ,

It’s not like MS coined EEE or anything…

lord_ryvan ,

Wow, they must be really stupid over at Microsoft!

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