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umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

yes please!

Thcdenton ,

YOU’RE NOT MY MOM I’LL DO WHAT I WANT

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

BRB, putting in a PR to make /etc mode 1777 by default.

avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

My fellow FOSS users, patches are welcome.

Samueru ,

Shameless flex

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/e69dded6-8682-49ba-8bc3-825b2cdbbf67.png

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemm.ee avatar

I regret checking this

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/05632732-7b05-4feb-9487-c1cb430c9d03.png

dizzy ,
@dizzy@lemmy.ml avatar

Whoa I’m a stickler for getting as much as I can out but even I have .zshenv and some other too hard to figure out things in there. How’d you manage a total wipeout?

Samueru , (edited )

zsh is actually easy and it is detailed in the archwiki

You have to set $ZDOTDIR in /etc/zsh/zshenv and iirc that was the only location that required root to edit.

For the rest of stuff, here is how I fix steam for example and you can check the rest of my dotfiles for how I configured zsh and all of that.

Although I haven’t updated them, I still had a .local directory back then, it was 1 week ago that I changed .local for Local and that let to an issue with distrobox which I made a PR fixing it that’s still open though.

dizzy ,
@dizzy@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s awesome!

laurelraven ,

This is probably a dumb question, but what program is that?

twei ,

Looks like thunar (default file manager on xfce)

Samueru ,

thunar (and the smaller window is the xfce4-terminal).

njordomir ,

Lol, the minimalist window decoration had me thinking you were running a terminal inside of the home directory of your file manager. :D

I’ve seen weirder things.

laurelraven ,

Honestly, that’s what I thought too, and wanted to check that out

tabular , (edited )
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

ls Volatile

Samueru ,

It’s empty lol, it’s a directory on tmpfs that i use to build programs and similar stuff to not be hammering my ssd with unnecessary writes.

I have $XDG_CACHE_HOME in tmp as well and I moved the mesa sharer caches to $XDG_STATE_HOME as that’s really the only thing so far I’ve needed to preserve.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

tmpfs (…) to build programs (…) to not be hammering my ssd with unnecessary writes

Sounds useful. How did you setup the directory?

Running df tells me “tmpfs” is mounted on /run. If I build in that that directory then would it be stored in RAM, or do I need to do something else?

Samueru ,

I have /tmp in my fstab with these mount options.

tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,noatime,size=20G 0 0

And the rest of the setup is done in my zprofile

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

I think I should be able to get this working following your zprofile file. Thanks!

aard ,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

Probably half the entries in that list are not GUI apps, and XDG doesn’t apply (though some still support it). For some others there (like emacs) XDG is used if it exists.

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

XDG doesn’t apply for CLI apps? About half of dirs I still have cluttering my home are GUI apps whose devs refuse to follow the specification, while I see less friction from CLI/TUI devs, since they’re the ones actually seeing these hidden locations.

sparr ,

What makes you think XDG doesn’t apply to non GUI apps?

aard ,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

It’s already in the name - XDG stands for X Desktop Group (nowadays freedesktop), which works on interoperability for desktop environments. In a pure shell environment (or even if you’re not running a full desktop) none of the XDG variables are defined, and especially in shell environments the default fallbacks specified by XDG are not necessarily what the operator would expect.

sparr ,

That name is decades old. XDG stands for “Cross Desktop Group”.

A “pure” X environment (e.g. startx xterm) also doesn’t define those variables, but many desktop environments do, just like many shell configurations do.

walthervonstolzing ,
@walthervonstolzing@lemmy.ml avatar

vim now has an option to put the .vim folder in ~/.config; though I’m not sure if the default plugin/package & syntax folders can be set under ~/.local/share.

PlexSheep ,

You can also just use neovim instead, among other improvements, it’s configs are in the xdg dirs

Wispy2891 ,

100% agree and I also despise devs who do this on windows, instead of using %appdata% they’re using c:\users\username.myappisimportantandtotallydeservesthisdir

Tlaloc_Temporal ,
@Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

To be fair here, appdata is technically a hidden folder and there are lots of reasons an app would want it’s data accessable by the user.

Wispy2891 ,

Yes but then just spam the documents folder like anyone else, don’t hoard the home root for no reason except that is a lazy cross platform port

lockhart ,

I have to use a separate Documents folder for my actual documents lol

conorab ,

I think that also causes issues for roaming profiles and folder redirection. If roaming is turned on then everything in the %appdata%\roaming folder is synced to a server. %AppData%\Local is not. So if your app is using %AppData%\Roaming for temporary data then you are causing a whole bunch on unnecessary IO. Same for using Documents since that if often synced.

xan1242 ,

Not to mention - this isn’t necessarily the correct place for Windows anyway. That is exactly why they standardized stuff around Vista.

Plus - what about apps that store an ungodly amount data in there? Personally, I only keep the OS and basic app data (such as configs and cache) on the partition and nothing else.

Then something like Minecraft comes along and it’s like “humpty dumpty I’m crapping a lumpty” and stores all its data in “.minecraft” right there in your user directory.

Then you gotta symlink stuff around and it becomes a mess…

MonkderDritte , (edited )

Where did i read this… basically, the .file being hidden being a bug in the early unix filesystem, which got misused to hide configuration files.

Offenders despite XDG-variables set and with no workaround:

  • .android: hardcoded in adb and i guess something in mtp too
  • .pki: some tool/library Firefox and Chromium sometimes use.
  • .steam: yes, that

Btw, wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Base_Directory

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Shout out to xdg-ninja - it’ll find files that are in your home and suggest how to configure the app to use XDG instead. github.com/b3nj5m1n/xdg-ninja

sparr ,

Thanks, I hadn’t heard of that. Time to add a few hundred lines to my dotfiles :)

PureTryOut ,
@PureTryOut@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Strange that some apps allow configuring it rather than just doing it automatically…

Lifter ,

That’s the usual open source way. The config probably came later so they just added the option without changing the default because that would break backward compatibility.

And there would be too much boring work to build a migration.

ZeroHora ,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

After running it and properly configure the paths I once again came to the conclusion: I fucking hate Google.

sfera ,

Are there abstractions available around the XDG specifications to resolve the proper paths?

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Use the environment variables.

sfera ,

I do. But you might have misunderstood my question. I was not asking for assistance. I was just curious if there are libraries available which allow easy adoption of the XDG specification. I imagine that such abstractions would be useful for multi-platform software and generally to lower the bar for adoption.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Depends on the programming language. In C# for example, there’s an API to get special folder paths that works in all supported environments (Windows, Linux, MacOS, Android, and I think iOS too). On Linux, it includes fallbacks in case the environment variables aren’t set.

MonkderDritte ,

What language? Python has PyXDG.

In shell it’s simply


<span style="color:#323232;">XDG_DATA_HOME="${XDG_DATA_HOME:-"$HOME"/.local/share}"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">XDG_CONFIG_HOME="${XDG_CONFIG_HOME:-"$HOME"/.config}"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">etc.
</span>
sfera ,

Thanks, I did not know about PyXDG. That was the type of thing I was asking about.

daniyeg ,

حق

mactan ,

there’s no place like 127.0.0.1

there’s no place like XDG_CONFIG_HOME.

dinckelman ,

Golang puts shit specifically in $HOME/go. Not even .go. Just plain go.

Why is it so difficult to follow industry standards

Laser ,

That’s what happens when you don’t set $GOPATH I think

fmstrat ,

That doesn’t make it better.

Laser ,

It makes it insofar better to me that you have the option to change it. You can’t change Mozilla programs to use anything but .mozilla (apart from modifying the source code of course) so for me seeing the folder is at least a way of telling me that the variable is unset.

The better question is which folder is suited the best to store the stuff that goes into $GOPATH

fmstrat ,

Just because something is worse, doesn’t make the other thing good. A sane and standard default, as others have mentioned, is a small bar to meet.

dinckelman ,

Of course, but that’s not the point. There should be a sane default, and there isn’t one

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

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    WolfLink ,

    What I want in $HOME are the following directories:

    If I’m on a GUI-based environment:

    • Desktop
    • Documents
    • Downloads

    In general:

    • .local
    • my_junk_folder_i_made

    I’d like everything else to live within something like ~/.local thanks

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    Maybe Linux should have .local and .roaming folders like Windows (local = only useful on this system, roaming = can sync across systems). Config would be in .roaming if it’s not machine-specific.

    luciferofastora ,

    Does ~/.config fit the bill for the second one?

    dan , (edited )
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    There’s some stuff in~/.config that’s specific to the computer. KDE is a good example - a lot of KDE apps mix config and state in the same file. There’s some solutions for syncing these files, like github.com/VorpalBlade/chezmoi_modify_manager which is an addon to Chezmoi that can exclude particular keys when storing an INI-style config file in Git.

    I’m sure there’s some config files in there that are entirely specific to the computer. Things like the Wayland per-monitor scaling settings are in there somewhere I think.

    There’s also things like data files that you may want to keep in sync across machines. They’re not really configs.

    rotopenguin ,
    @rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

    The only practical difference between Local and Roaming and LocalLow is that developers randomly pick one and dump your game saves in there.

    jollyrogue ,

    There is a .local folder these days.

    Profile roaming hasn’t been solved aside from NFS mounts. I guess Syncthing might work.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    I know .local exists - My comment was more about .roaming which would be nice to exist, but doesn’t currently exist.

    Profile roaming hasn’t been solved aside from NFS mounts. I guess Syncthing might work.

    I’m using Chezmoi to sync some dotfiles, scripts, etc. to a Git repo and that seems to work well enough for me. I’m not syncing much yet, though.

    eager_eagle ,
    @eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

    off the shelf go was too annoying for me

    Nowadays I set GOENV_ROOT to an XDG location and use goenv instead.

    atzanteol ,

    Go pisses me off with that. I separate projects the way I want but go wants every project written in go in one big directory?

    dinckelman ,

    I really didn’t like this either. It’s quite surprising, because the rest of Go tooling is quite nice. Not having a venv, or at least something like pnpm-style node_modules is weird

    jollyrogue ,

    Why would go have a virtual environment or dep tree like node_modules equivalent, it’s not interpreted or dynamically linked.

    With modules, dependencies can be vendored.

    dinckelman ,

    Obviously it’s not, but you have to download all this shit somewhere before compilation. That’s the whole point

    turkalino ,
    @turkalino@lemmy.yachts avatar

    Google

    following industry standards

    pick one

    mcepl ,
    @mcepl@lemmy.world avatar

    This post literally links to the leading one.

    dohpaz42 ,
    @dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

    Here is a more concise way to achieve the same thing:

    
<span style="color:#323232;">ls -ACd ~/.</span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">??*</span><span style="color:#323232;">/ </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">| </span><span style="color:#323232;">sed -e </span><span style="color:#183691;">"s#$</span><span style="color:#323232;">HOME</span><span style="color:#183691;">/##g"
</span>
    palordrolap ,

    I think that can be boiled down to only cd; echo .*/

    Maybe throw a ;cd - on the end if the change of directory is unwanted.

    ComicSads ,

    if you need to preserve cd - you might be able to do this with pushd and popd

    Samueru ,

    ls -A | grep “^.”

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/e8da5656-b741-48f4-9488-be7cc83c9159.png

    I had to make a dummy .dotfile to test because I don’t have hidden files in my home.

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