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474D ,

How good is the “HDR Support”? It’s one thing I’ve really wanted for Linux for a while.

Virkkunen , (edited )
@Virkkunen@fedia.io avatar

From my experience using Plasma 6+ and a NVIDIA card, I keep HDR on on my main display (Odyssey Neo G7).

No issues with washed out colours on the desktop, everything looks fine

I can watch HDR videos using the included Haruna player or MPV.

Firefox has no HDR support outside Mac OS, so no HDR on YouTube.

For games, it depends. Some games can detect HDR and work fine, but for most I have to use gamescope, which in itself brings some issues like not having the Steam overlay, games freezing randomly or just having terrible performance due to niceness (everything has a workaround though, but that requires some tinkering). Check my comments about the issues and workarounds

For game scope running HDR, there's a lot of people and guides telling you to use countless flags that don't really do anything at all. The best thing to do is to read its documentation. I use the following flags as startup parameters on my Steam games:

gamemoderun gamescope  -W 3840 -H 2160 -r 165 --hdr-enabled --hdr-itm-enable --hdr-itm-sdr-nits 300 -f -e --mangoapp -- %command%

gamemoderun just enables game-mode, which can bring some small performance improvements.

-W -H -r flags are to determine resolution and desired refresh rate. You might be able to omit those flags but I have had some issues with that.

--hdr-enabled is the only flag needed to get HDR working. Nothing else. (except from enabling it on your DE)

--hdr-itm-enable --hdr-itm-sdr-nits are for inverse tone mapping for non HDR games, it's the same as Windows Auto HDR.

-f is full-screen, but to be fair I don't think this one is doing anything, but I need to test better.

-e is to enable Steam integration, which should be the overlay and input, but its broken (there's a workaround, check the last comment made by me there)

--mangoapp is to run mangohud, this flag is preferred over running mangohud before %command%. It's partially broken this way because it does not dispaly the GPU or gamemode info. Running it as mangohud works 100% fine but apparently there are some issues with it that are beyond my knowledge.

474D ,

Awesome, thanks so much. I actually just purchased the same monitor so this will be very helpful when I set it up.

firepenny ,

Thank you so much! I’ve looked at countless guides and everyone said something different. This helped a lot.

itmightbethew ,
@itmightbethew@beehaw.org avatar

I’ve been rocking it for a couple weeks now. So far it’s been great

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Just to clear some misunderstandings, TLE did a performance test on this distro and it was pretty much the same in terms of FPS as other distros. Gaming distros like Bazzite are made for a faster and easier setup process because gaming tools and stores and preinstalled.

Diplomjodler3 ,

But that’s a legitimate reason for it to exist. A lot of people have reservations towards Linux because they’re concerned about the gaming experience. Making it smooth and easy is a good thing. Having said that, I just installed Steam on Mint and everything ran just fine. I only play Steam games on that machine, though.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

I can’t fully agree with you about the smooth user experience on this particular distro because it’s immutable but yea we should promote Linux for gaming. It’s pretty good now.

poki ,

I can’t fully agree with you about the smooth user experience on this particular distro because it’s immutable

Could you elaborate on why you think this is the case? FYI, I’ve been using Fedora Atomic for over two years. So, please don’t feel the need to explain me how it works*.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Inconvenient package management, manual theme installation and anything that involves changes to the system.

poki ,

Thank you for the reply!

Inconvenient package management

Fair.

manual theme installation

I assume this is based on an experience with Kinoite? Am I right?

anything that involves changes to the system

I’d argue “anything” is too harsh. But yes, there are definitely edge cases that are either very/too cumbersome or outright impossible to achieve on Fedora Atomic.

However, I’d argue that while the associated paradigm shift and learning curve do require some commitment to adjust to, it is a more sane way of running a system for most people.

GolfNovemberUniform , (edited )
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Everyone has an opinion on this. Won’t argue with yours.

poki , (edited )

Fair.

Btw, was I correct on the following?

I assume this is based on an experience with Kinoite? Am I right?

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

No. I know that installing a GTK theme requires putting the files in /usr/share/themes that is not in /home. That’s why I said it. As an advanced user I love customization and freedom so immutable distros are a no go for me (and for many people imo). I didn’t even bother trying.

poki , (edited )

FWIW, by creating your own images (through BlueBuild or tooling offered by uBlue) you could bake themes directly into those folders.

However, I totally understand why you’d not feel compelled to do as such 😅. Especially if your current distro/system works splendidly.

Sometimes, placing it to ~/.local/share/themes works as well*.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

However, I totally understand why you’d not feel compelled to do as such 😅. Especially if your current distro/system works splendidly.

This.

Sometimes, placing it to ~/.local/share/themes works as well*.

Ehh I prefer system-wide installation. I think it’s a habit from times when installing an Android app with root (so the OS treats it as a system app) increased its performance.

poki ,

Ehh I prefer system-wide installation.

Fair.

I think it’s a habit from times when installing an Android app with root (so the OS treats it as a system app) increased its performance.

Interesting. Didn’t know this was a thing.

barsquid ,

Thank you for sharing those links, I have been struggling with making rpm-ostree compose go from a yaml to an ISO, these look like they might reduce the level of effort!

poki ,

You’re welcome!

FWIW, last year, through what became BlueBuild eventually, I had my own image with all kinds of modifications within a weekend. And, perhaps most curiously, I was a total noob when it comes to containerfiles, github, git etcetera. So, if I somehow managed, then you should definitely be fine.

Wish ya good luck! Consider reporting back 😉.

barsquid ,

Sounds like you ramped up pretty quickly! Were you pretty familiar with the terminal beforehand or just jumping in?

I’m chronically unable to finish projects but with such a fantastic tool maybe this one is the one? I’ll try follow up if get something going.

poki ,

Were you pretty familiar with the terminal beforehand or just jumping in?

Yes, I did have some familiarity with the terminal.

I’m chronically unable to finish projects but with such a fantastic tool maybe this one is the one?

I hope it will work out for ya!

I’ll try follow up if get something going.

Thank you for your consideration 😊!

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Yeah, I had that at the beginning, then added to my fstab


<span style="color:#323232;">#enable sddm and therefore good themes
</span><span style="color:#323232;">/var/sddm /usr/share/sddm none rbind 0 0
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span>

and KDE themes with sddm components install fine now (most themes install fine into /home, does Gnome really not have per user themes?)

Essentially you can tactically make things mutable as needed, use sparingly, but maybe not even trying lessens your opinion, no?

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Why would I use a system that isn’t supposed to change if I want to change it? It’s just not for me and I don’t want to waste my time reinstalling everything. And my opinion isn’t completely proven without trying but I have theoretical knowledge.

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Why would I use a system that isn’t supposed to change if I want to change it?

There’s a bunch of benefits, atomic updates, intrinsic rollback, security of immutability, safe automatic updating and it goes on. Some things are not quite ready yet, e.g. things like sddm which should probably install themes to /etc (which they’re working on), so as often happens in linux, workarounds ensue. Making one directory mutable does not destroy all the benefits.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Mister/miss, you’re going too far with this advertising imo.

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

You’re welcome to your opinion ;)

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Yeah, I had that at the beginning, then added to my fstab


<span style="color:#323232;"># enable sddm and therefore good themes
</span><span style="color:#323232;">/var/sddm /usr/share/sddm none rbind 0 0
</span>

and then it works, kludgy, but sddm is apparently working on allowing themes in /etc, sometime soon.

poki ,

Thanks for pointing that out!

Bazzite also includes an entry in their documentation in which they explain how theming on Bazzite works exactly.

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar 

<span style="color:#323232;">Inconvenient package management
</span>

Fair.

If there’s a flatpak, no problem.

Once you realize you do package management in distroboxes rather than the main OS (rpm-ostree etc), no problem, plus you have the AUR at your disposal.

So Ima go not fair, although there is something of an education gap atm.

poki , (edited )

I’m a big fan of Fedora Atomic. However, even I have to admit that knowing how to install packages through dnf is simply more convenient than knowing and understanding the nuances between rpm-ostree, Toolbx/Distrobox and flatpak. And I haven’t even delved into ujust and brew that are found on uBlue images.

Furthermore, even if we would limit ourselves with what Fedora Atomic prescribes, we see the following inconveniences:

  • rpm-ostree ; I know –apply-live exists and I know systemctl soft-reboot exists. But still, if you have to resort to rpm-ostree, then both the speed of update/installation as well as the need to reboot (or live on the edge with –apply-live) are inconvenient compared to dnf.
  • flatpak ; It’s inconvenient that I have to alias the installed package if I prefer sane naming conventions when accessing it through the terminal. Furthermore, stuff like the NativeMessaging portal not being available yet for sandboxed browsers and how that prevents any local password manager to interact with them (without hacking your way through; which, once again, is an inconvenience) is inconvenient.
  • Toolbx/Distrobox ; the fact that you’d have to setup quadlets (or simply rely on uBlue images to do it for you) to keep them up to date, up and running is an inconvenience. The fact that distrobox-export has to be resorted to for accessing these directly from your ‘App Drawer’ is an inconvenience.

The fact that there’s no centralized place for upgrading all of the above (unless you rely on an uBlue image) is an inconvenience.

I could go on and on, but these should satisfy in revealing some of the more obnoxious inconveniences.

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Fair cop on the inconveniences, although I’ve found it fine after an adaption phase, coming from fedora it was lesser than hopping to a new distro. Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.

I just run ‘distrobox upgrade -all’ in my Daily.service, didn’t need quadlets (although after adaption I quite like them for containers now).

poki ,

I’ve found it fine after an adaption phase

Though credit where credit is due. At this point, so well-beyond the adaption phase, I simply don’t see myself use anything else. This is my home. Though I have to admit my serious interest in QubesOS (and the upcoming Spectrum OS).

Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.

Agree. I’m at least thankful that it’s a lot better than it used to be. Like two years ago, when as a total noob to Linux, I decided to cold turkey quit Windows and installed Fedora Silverblue on my machine. Well…, those first two weeks were pretty traumatic 😂. And, back then, there was not a lot out there. Luckily, I found this article that helped me to grasp the basics. And it has been smooth sailing ever since.

I just run ‘distrobox upgrade -all’ in my Daily.service

That’s pretty cool (and straightforward). Why didn’t I think of that 😂? But yeah, quadlets FTW.

SpeechToTextCloud OP ,
@SpeechToTextCloud@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

This comment shows why I like Lemmy more than Reddit. Nuanced, acknowledging when the other person has a point without just yelling at each other.

poki ,

Hehe. I agree that the community on Lemmy gives off more mature vibes. I suppose one should at least credit them for being idealistic enough to be on Lemmy rather than Reddit.

Thank you for spreading the positivity 😄!

Kusimulkku ,

Inconvenient package management

Can’t you just use the Gnome App Store or whatever it’s called?

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

GNOME Software but it only has Flatpaks which my machine can’t quite run smoothly. It’s weird that I use the GNOME ecosystem without Flatpaks though. Anyways I just use the AUR on my system that’s based on Arch btw.

Kusimulkku ,

With an immutable system the flatpaks would be the way to go

teawrecks ,

I set up a bazzite HTPC specifically because of its immutability and smoother user experience. The steam deck also locks down the package manager because this yields a more predictable environment.

poki , (edited )

TLE did a performance test on this distro and it was pretty much the same in terms of FPS as other distros.

Without measuring any 1% lows or 0.1% lows.

I enjoy TLE’s content, but that video is far from exhaustive on this.

Unless a better comparison comes out, we should reserve ourselves from making any judgements on this particular subject.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

I still don’t think there will be a difference. I tried distros with various schedulers and didn’t notice a major positive difference except for the DE smoothness that was unbeatable on CachyOS.

poki ,

So…, you don’t think it will make a difference. However, you do affirm that whatever CachyOS does is noticably better than the rest.

Perhaps more importantly, have you actually measured 1% lows or 0.1% lows on games. And did you compare how different distros fared in this regard?

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

I didn’t measure 1% lows but I noticed that regular distros (specifically Fedora and Arch based ones) performed noticeably better in terms of overall FPS.

poki ,

Thank you for mentioning that! Did the slower distros you tested come with older kernels?

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Fedora did have an older kernel but other distros were Arch based so always new kernels. Also I have to mention that CachyOS focuses on x86_64-v3 that my machine doesn’t support so results can be very different on newer hardware.

poki ,

Thank you for the answer and for your time! I wish you a nice day!

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Same for you, fellow Lemmy user!

ParetoOptimalDev ,

I extensively tested apex legends with different kernels and found a difference.

poki ,

Thank you for sharing! If you remember, could you share your findings?

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

On one hand, I think some data is better than no data, so I think its fair to say that there is a lack of evidence for it being better in terms of in-game performance after setup based on it and that should just be the null assumption anyways.

On the other hand, its been over a decade since its been pretty well known that average FPS is not necessarily reflective of overall performance and throwing the frametime data into a spreadsheet and doing =percentile([range],.99) and =percentile([range],.999) and then dragging it to neighboring cells seems like a pretty minimal extra work for a commercialized channel. For niche testing like this, I’m less bothered by it because having some results seems better than nothing, but its still nice to see it pointed out.

boredsquirrel ,

And way more reliability, even though it is pretty modified.

pineapplelover ,

I installed Bazzite on a sibling’s thinkpad and it was amazing. Chose KDE, out of the box, it was amazing. Fingerprint fprint was pre installed, just had to scan them in settings. Battery management and power level settings (power save or performance) were also already installed. Everything has been flawless. Even full disk encryption works amazingly well without hiccups. I remember trying it on Ubuntu and it bricked itself or something and gave up on it.

Dual booting it and installation was a walk in the park.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Welcome to modern Linux where almost everything works, mister/miss

Treevan ,
@Treevan@aussie.zone avatar

universal-blue.discourse.group/c/bazzite/5

Discussion forum for the readers.

foremanguy92_ ,

That seems to be a great distro to follow

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