Battery life is pretty decent, but I haven't had a 100% success rate with some of the basics like calls and texts. I've enjoyed using it as a kind of mini-tablet though, with no SIM (will keep trying again periodically).
Battery life has been excellent on the oneplus6. As others have said, there are some major issues, such as GPS and the camera not working at all. Calls were giving me issues a few months ago, but nowadays with “edge” (the latest release) they’re quite reliable.
With all the bugs and problems, I could use PostmarketOS every day with minimal issues, I used it exclusively for just over a week and it was fine. I think in ~2-3 years I’ll be using Linux on mobile as my main device.
Unfortunately it’s not fully usable on the OnePlus 6/6T yet. I would love to daily drive my 6T but it only has working audio for the first call before you have to power cycle it. VoLTE doesn’t work so you have to use 2G mode if you want to receive calls.
They’re for me to test. I’ve got an SSD in a USB3.2 enclosure, so the live ISOs run fast enough that there’s no noticeable difference to an installation on my main PC.
I’ve been using Xubuntu on my server for years, and Mint on my laptop for the last few years, and have been trying to switch to Mint on my PC, so I thought it’s about time to try some other distros before I fully commit.
I’ve got all the main distros, so will be distro hopping for a while to see how I get on, and if any of them jump out at me. I’ve always used Debian based distros, so I can see me sticking with one, but I’ve added the others to see if they’ve changed much in the last 20 years, and if I like the way they do things :)
so linus made his first linux post when i was in highschool. (freshman). i didnt know of it but thats what wikipedia says. windows 95 came out when i was in college and by my junior year i knew about linux. in our networking class most everything was unix, one sun machine and the instructor got linux on one or two. students would rush to get the linux machines. it was seen as a better unix. at that point it wasnt seen as a desktop alternative just a better server experience. right before windows xp came out, i built a new computer for xp and used a disc from a magazine with redhat. installed it on their ma hi e and it didnt work because the hardware was to new. i soon got XP and learned about boot loaders.had to call microsoft since xp wouldnt install. tbe guy just recently i stalled linux on a few machines and helped me out.
didnt try linux again till broadband and the web was more of a thing.
If something is happening, you know it does and you might have made it happen yourself.
Also, you are in full control. Use your machine (here OS specifically) however you want, and make it yours, and not a company’s (Micro$hit im talkin about you mfs).
You use what YOU want to use, and not what they want you to use (cough edge, just accept that you’re dogsh… cough, please).
I have a librem 5, i use it to make/receive calls and it seems to work fine, though for anything else it is too anemic. Also eats through the battery like crazy, even shut down, it slowly drains.
Buddy had one. Second-hand, it seemed like a tremendous pain in the ass, didn't allow him to do most things, and in the end it seemed a moot point. The radios are all closed source/proprietary, it connects to closed source/proprietary/corporate-controlled towers, and you're sending data to people running totally insecure devices. Ultimately his use case was to just establish a VPN connection to his home computer and route everything through that.
I can see getting into a Linux phone for the interest of the operating system and trying to push the technology, but if it's a security/privacy issue, I think you're much better off either using a dumbphone or a burner.
Yeah I’m mainly interested in the tech and pushing it as an option. Android ROMs are waaaaay better for privacy/security. It’s hard to recommend a Linux phone unless you’re a techie, Linux enthusiast, or a dev.
I don’t have one yet but I’d like to try one when I can casually spend a few hundred bucks on one.
I plan to move to EndeavourOS, because I cannot be bothered to install Arch and wanted something (b)leading edge, but community based. Already installed on my laptop, looking good so far.
Kind of unfortunate that there are no true community driven rpm distros :(
They are not ready for regular use yet. Performance is poor and battery life is bad. It’s fun to play with my Pinephone and watch the software slowly improve, but there is no way I could use it as my primary phone.
The only real issue holding it back for me is the battery life. I update the danctnix distro regularly to check progress, but the battery life is not production ready.
Sure, there are drawbacks, but I think it worth it. It not only fixes the battery life, but also provides hardware typing which is important because we don’t have swipe-typing.
My experience: As a basic phone, it mostly works. Everything else is pretty bad. The Pine phone is underpowered, the environments are not very well optimised and polished, basic browsing was almost unusable, things didn’t work properly, I had to use the CLI to get around UI issues (which is very sucky on a phone), etc. Battery life is bad, the camera is a joke (if it works), the screen has dead pixels after less than a year, it’s not a great picture.
I fully support what Pine phone is trying to do, in fact I bought 2 of them and I don’t regret buying them, but know what you are getting into. It’s nowhere near ready for mass adoption. If you’re a hobbyist then it’s a fun toy to play around with.
Purism is more expensive/better hardware and uses the Phosh graphical shell. I haven’t tried it but I imagine the experience is a lot more polished. You could probably use that as a daily driver if you were happy to give up most of the apps / quality of life stuff your spyware phone currently does for you.
If you’re not, then going the degoogled route is probably your best choice.
I owned a Pine Phone Pro for a while and it was a disaster. The software is still coming together, which is expected, but the hardware was also hobby project grade. As the previous poster mentioned, battery, camera, and screen were all bad, and on top of that the phone would refuse to charge with most chargers and could not charge at all while not booted, so once the battery was dead you had zero recourse beyond an external charger. The clamshell keyboard also wouldn't work without shimming the pogo pin connectors forward, and even then it was hit or miss. The company was terrible to deal with and only finally accepted a return after escalating a dispute with Paypal. I hate dumping on a company providing hardware for mobile Linux, but these guys seriously do more harm than good.
Strongly disagree. All things you mentioned are software issues. And they providing a phone with a bad specs intentionally. Because no one will buy an expensive GNU/Linux phone. We simply do not have software. The idea is to provide relatively cheap hardware, so developers can start working on it. And another reason was to provide hardware that have some GNU/Linux support already to avoid asking community to start from scratch. Very few phones can run GNU/Linux because of lack of drivers.
And yes, the keyboard is bad hardware-wise, I not satisfied with it either. But Pine did a lot for GNU/Linux on phones. Enthusiasts started writing software seriously only after PinePhone appearance.
the original post was about the PinePhone Pro though, and I think the high price of it, versus the low built quality and subsequent low number of developers trying to improve the software side, is a real shame.
IMHO, Pine64 tried to up-premium their products with the PineNote and the PinePhone Pro, but that totally failed and at least for the PineNote they admitted the sales were atrocious.
I wouldn’t call PPP expensive. It’s a just more powerful version of PP for those developers (yes, for developers, it’s written in bold on their website) who want a more powerful unit. Yes, you can buy a more powerful phone for this price, but it’s not because Pine64 greed. They simply doesn’t have as big production capacity as other rich companies. The more phones you produce, the cheaper price for unit, this is how it works.
low built quality
PP(P) have okay build quality. I have complains only about keyboard.
subsequent low number of developers trying to improve the software side
It’s a community project, Pine does not develop the software at all. They only providing hardware and relies on community to build software for it. It’s kinda unique business model, but it’s the only way to make GNU/Linux phones popular. They are not Google, they can’t invest billions of dollars to develop the software. Thanks to Pine64, developers (including me) can port and write their software for Linux on phones. I have both phones and I see how much the situation has improved. We are still far from Android, but it makes me happy to see progress in this direction.
I am well aware, but the PPP included some expensive “premium” features like licensed gorrilla glas and so on, which do nothing for the developer experience and made the price unattractive for a impulse buy to tinker with it. If they can sell the Pinebook Pro for around 250€ they could have also made a Pinephone Pro for 300€, but it actually costs double that.
Compared to the original PinePhone the developer uptake of the PPP has been really slow and as a result the software support is severely lacking even now, more than a year after the initial availability.
I am well aware, but the PPP included some expensive “premium” features like licensed gorrilla glas and so on, which do nothing for the developer experience
It’s great when developers daily drive what they write since it’s a community project and there is no quality control. I personally was happy when PPP was announced and bought it because I couldn’t daily drive PP, the hardware is too outdated for me. I honestly would prefer even RK3566, its more powerful and less hungry. But users can still can buy PP.
Compared to the original PinePhone the developer uptake of the PPP has been really slow
PP is around since 2020. And it was in a similar state. Also initial GNU/Linux support were different. Especially camera.
And I also made a mistake in my first comment. I wanted to write that all issues are software issues. I’m so sorry.
All things you mentioned are hardware issues. [...] Because no one will buy an expensive GNU/Linux phone.
There's a difference between budget or low end components and flawed implementation or design. I didn't go in expecting a newer Snapdragon and a 144hz display- but neither did I go in expecting that it couldn't charge when dead. I didn't go to Denny's expecting filet mignon, but neither was I expecting a dirty tennis shoe on a plate. That was the whole point of my comment. The last thing mobile Linux needs is for people's first experience of it to be a semi-functional piece of hacked-together hardware- even if someone's willing to deal with in-dev software, when the thing straight up won't work it's not a good look.
Oh, I’m so sorry, I wanted to write “software”. Edited. For example, charging when the phone is dead will be fixed soon with proper bootloader, megi already submitted patches to u-boot. It will also reduce power consumption in suspend.
Purism somehow has even worse hardware than the pinephone pro.
You pay about 50-100 dollars for the specs and between 1200 and 2000 dollars for phosh, the gnome-based phone shell. Which is free to use, but when you buy form Purism, you’re paying for its’ development.
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