gnome-initial-setup will default to displaying the toggle as enabled, even though the underlying setting will initially be disabled. (The underlying setting will not actually be enabled until the user finishes the privacy page, to ensure users have the opportunity to disable the setting before any data is uploaded.)
I see what they’re saying here and how they’re trying to give users options for users to opt-out before “accidentally” sharing data.
We are not interested in opt-in metrics. To make this a little more confusing, metrics collection is actually separate from uploading. Collection is always initially enabled, while uploading is always initially disabled. The graphical toggle enables or disables both at the same time.
Given all this I have even lower confidence that the opt-out will be bug free, especially over time. If the settings are separate then why just one toggle? If it were separate, I might want to collect then inspect the data and maybe even choose to share (or use the data myself some other way).
Few users would opt in…
Well yes, if it’s all my way or the highway. I understand that this is a tough problem to solve and a tougher one to message correctly. Hopefully someone will figure it out one day.
As much as I like/enjoy to circlejerk about Ubloatu… they are giving more options for customization. Which is way better than (just) giving it a “minimal” option.
There was a Sunday Perspective episode of The Cloudcast a few weeks ago about interest rates and VC funding and their effects on companies that was really interesting. Essentially, there is less “free money” these days and execs have more and more pressure to increase profitability of projects.
This explains a lot. Execs are not engineers, they don’t understand software, nor how the community contributes value to the project. They just need to find an income stream and are willing to break everything they don’t understand to achieve it. Even the company they work for.
Hmm, I didn’t explain myself so well apparently. The look of windows is “ok” but I like more consistency and simplicity, here I think linux distros shine.
But, this distro seems more “modern” and “flashy”, I love new things and you don’t see “cool & flashy” design often.
I’m more used to functional design (and I love it), but sometimes the “shiny” style is a welcoming change.
We’ve all been through the phase when we wanted 200 cool animations for a single window drag 😂
For me efficiency and less eye strain is important. I want my eyes to be at the center of the screen for the majority of my session. Gnome is my goto for that reason but any tiling windows manager would do as welll.
KDE and the windows start bar lookalikes constantly have your eyes going to the corner or sides to open and find apps.
Usage data is important for developers to know how people use their software, so I’m okay with it. But given Red Hat’s recent direction, I’m not sure I trust them to slowly increase the data being collected.
But I don’t use Fedora and I’ve already moved off Red Hat/CentOS, so I don’t have a horse in this race ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Telemetry is important for desktop developers, you can negate it but it’s a fact
I’m going to assume you know what the subject and object of that sentence are. Here’s the thing about how language works on my planet: through the magic of a radical new concept called “context”, we can accurately discern both meaning and normative statements from what people say and how they phrase it. In other words, “It’s a fact that telemetry is important for desktop developers” is an ostensibly descriptive statement that also creates a normative statement in the same way that standing in the sun casts a shadow: it has to, it isn’t optional. It’s “Desktop developers who don’t use telemetry are ignoring something that it’s factual to say is important they not ignore”. Please tell me you get it now, and that you don’t need the rest spoonfed to you.
If this gets implemented, I’ll certainly be switching distros. That opt-out telemetry is even a serious proposal is potentially enough for me to switch, as it indicates where the Fedora team’s heads are. I’ve been using and recommending Fedora for over a decade, but this is crosses a line.
Please read the thing properly. It is nothing more than a proposal currently, which is being actively discussed with the community to make sure that users (including you) are satisfied with the result if it is implemented, or to make sure it is not implemented at all.
Reading through the post it looks like the project leads (Fedora council members) are arguing in favour of “opt-out” and the larger community is arguing in favour or either opt-in or a middle ground where the user has to select an option with no default.
Honestly it seems like the Fedora team is arguing that there are only two options: opt-out, or nothing at all. This isn’t true and people are commenting with more reasonable alternatives.
I am actually european… I live in greece… It is just that when i picture the map, i picture europe middle-west so i go with middle. Unless what we mean is the culture which by convention, you are correct… Damn… Now i actually feel like the nerd with the glasses… Not in the good way…
I think it only uses western dependencies if they are open source. Even if linux somehow got weaponised against China (hard to imagine this as it goes against the very basics of Open Source), they could still use the older kernel releases and fork from that.
Linux kernel isn’t western or finnish, because you don’t need to trust westerners of finns to use it. Wherever you live, linux kernel is yours
GNU/Linux technologies were founded in the west, but are contributed to by people all over the world. I also feel like the ideology and philosophy behind them are in stark contrast to the “western” ideologies of capitalism and imperialism.
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