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just_another_person , in Is anybody else a bit disappointed about the recent days with Fedora Atomic?

They owned up to it, and immediately dealt with the issue.

It’s open source, free, and run by volunteers who bust their asses to make these releases happen. I wouldn’t worry too much about it if it’s been working the other 99% of the time for you, and this one issue has you on the fence about it…

4am ,

Exactly. These kind of things happen from time to time; hell even big corpo OSes mess up. They said they’d taken time to fix their process to prevent this problem happening again.

If it becomes a pattern I’d become concerned. So far, it was inconvenient.

Eeyore_Syndrome ,
@Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works avatar

CLIphobia is a new one to me.

just_another_person ,

A lot of people on here are new to the ecosystem 🤷

DarkDarkHouse ,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Some of us also are just tired of administering the system and just want to use some applications.

lazorne ,

I agree, mistakes and vulnerabilites happen in all software commercial and open. Now I can only speak for RetroDECK but, we also make mistakes and need to do minor patches to fix those.

I think Jorge and the team handled it as you should: Be transparent, inform on all channels they can and learn from your mistakes.

Me personally have full confidence in them.

Those that try to hide or shift blame of mistakes are a bigger red flag in my book.

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

What we need is a popup IN THE OS that tells users how to troubleshoot.

Separate from the OS core, updatable individually, like an RSS feed with persistent popups using KDialog etc.

xavier666 ,

Those that try to hide or shift blame of mistakes are a bigger red flag in my book.

People, please; look at this.

It’s inevitable that mistakes will happen.

people_are_cute ,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Fedora is run by RedHat/IBM employees but OK

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Says the person with a “Twitter verified badge” as profile pic LOL.

What has this to do with ANYTHING I wrote?

just_another_person ,

No, that’s not at all true.

Red Hat owns the Fedora brand, sponsors the project financially, technically, and with some infrastructure, but does not own the project, nor pay everyone involved. Aside from a project lead here or there, it’s all community run. Literally anyone can contribute or volunteer.

people_are_cute ,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

If Red Hat were to stop officially supporting Fedora tomorrow, can you guarantee the project will still survive?

Can Android/AOSP survive if Alphabet were to give up on it tomorrow?

just_another_person ,

Sorry to be rude, but can’t you just go read the docs to understand this?

Fedora is a fork of Red Hat, the same way Ubuntu is a fork of debian. Yes, it is now singular to being its own thing. It is also not corporate controlled.

digdilem ,

Fedora is a fork of Red Hat, the same way Ubuntu is a fork of debian.

I think you’ve got your ordering and terms a bit confused, there. There’s no forking as such going on in the EL ecosystem.

To explain it as simply as I can, as there are quite a few people mixing this up in here.

Fedora is *upstream *of Red Hat (Or RedHat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) to be exact - Redhat is a company owned by IBM that does a bunch of stuff, not just RHEL).

Fedora feeds into CentOS Stream (Essentially a staging area for RHEL). This has no relation to CentOS Linux, which is dead.

RHEL is then built from CS at point releases and sold commercially through licencing.

There are distros such as Rocky, Alma, Oracle Enterprise Linux and possibly some smaller ones that strive to be near exact clones of RHEL (Rocky claims bug-for-bug compatibility, Alma doesn’t any more as they build in a different way) - these follow RHEL’s point releases, and might be considered a poor and loose definition of forking, but rebuilding is a more accurate term.

All these distros are under the blanket term of “Enterprise Linux” because it’s shaped around RHEL, even though most are free. Historically this worked well, as people learned Enterprise skills using Fedora and Centos Linux which turned into careers (including for me). Then Redhat went a bit mad and that all changed.

The only similarity to Debian/Ubuntu is that Ubuntu uses Debian as a base, and builds upon it. Like RHEL, it adds commercially licenced bits to its distro and rebuilds other parts into something unique, and like RHEL, Rocky, Alma and OEL do with Fedora, it feeds back improvements and development into Debian.

just_another_person ,

You’re just a coward to admit you were wrong?

breadsmasher , in [solved - I was looking for mDNS] Is there a kde-connect like VPN?
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

couldnt you use device / hostname instead?

TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe OP , (edited )

Unfortunately the router at my gf’s house does not resolve the hostname, so no. Though thanks for the suggestion, I feel kinda stupid for not trying that.

Edit: I’m a noob. Solved by adding “.local” suffix after the hostname.

ipacialsection , in [solved - I was looking for mDNS] Is there a kde-connect like VPN?
@ipacialsection@startrek.website avatar

Bit confused about what you’re looking for. If you’re just SSH/VNC ing into devices on the same local network, then you can simply use their local IP address, which you can find with a command like ip addr and will rarely change, or their hostname if your network is configured properly. There are several GUIs that can remember connection info for you, so you likely will only need it once. It’s also quite easy to scan the local network for SSH servers if you have nmap (nmap -p22 <your ip address range, e.g. 192.168.0.1/24>). If you need to connect to a device on your home network from a different network, any VPN software can achieve that. I’m not aware of any remote desktop solution that doesn’t require a network connection, but your network doesn’t necessarily need to be connected to the Internet.

Are you looking for a GUI that combines all those things?

utopiah , in [solved - I was looking for mDNS] Is there a kde-connect like VPN?

Not sure I understand either but when I need to tinker with devices from another network through the Internet I usually rely on Tailscale or setup my own dedicated VPN using e.g OpenVPN.

BaalInvoker , in [solved - I was looking for mDNS] Is there a kde-connect like VPN?

You can configure wireguard to achieve this solution.

You can always enable mDNS/DNS-SD (aka zeroconf) protocol as well

TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe OP ,

Thanks, I did not know about mDNS. I will use this.

MangoPenguin , in [solved - I was looking for mDNS] Is there a kde-connect like VPN?
@MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

DNS hostnames

TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe OP ,

I don’t want to be mean but searching “DNS hostnames” just gives generic AI generated “DNS explained” articles. This answer is helpful only if you already know that mDNS exists.

MangoPenguin ,
@MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Sorry was busy but wanted to make the comment at least earlier. I think .local is specific to mDNS, but using just the hostname (ie; mypcname) should work as well.

Vincent , in Is anybody else a bit disappointed about the recent days with Fedora Atomic?

Yeah, it all still is more experimental than I’d hope. The whole reason I’m using Silverblue is low maintenance and less risk.

The plus side is that it didn’t render my system unusable - I could boot into the old version. But hopefully lessons will have been learned, and this will happen less often in the future.

Winged_Hussar , in Facing Issues With Installing Flatpak Packages... Help?
@Winged_Hussar@lemmy.world avatar

Have you tried using:


<span style="color:#323232;">flatpak repair
</span>

docs.flatpak.org/…/flatpak-command-reference.html…

There is a


<span style="color:#323232;">--dry-run
</span>

Option to see if there are any issues before committing the changes.

QuestionMark OP ,

Tried it several times! Didn’t fix the issue…

MalReynolds , in Is anybody else a bit disappointed about the recent days with Fedora Atomic?
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

My takeaway was add …discourse.group/…/announcements.rss to my rss reader (already had fedora) and I’m happy I’ll know when I need to, still for those of us who support non-technical users on these platforms it is indeed problematic.

OTOH, this is the first time I’ve had non-nvidia (sleep broken on my desktop, just rolled back and held updating for a while, no big deal) update problems in two years, which is pretty outstanding for a new rolling distro, and gives me confidence in the architecture. Shit happens I guess, but it was quickly and publicly sorted, also trust building…

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

This should be done out of the box. The implementation depends on the desktop.

Which is why for quality assurance, at most 2 desktops should be supported and prioritized like that.

nyan , in Anything special to deal with if upgrading CPU generation?

Generic distro kernel? You shouldn’t have any problems.

Hand-compiled kernel cooked up with -march=native? You’re sticking with AMD, so there should still be no issues unless some instruction got dropped between the old CPU and the new, which almost never happens. You might have to add a kernel module or two for things built into your mobo, nothing serious.

(Hell, I had a Windows 2000 install on a multi-boot system survive an upgrade like that, once upon a time. Just booted perfectly happily on the new hardware.)

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Modern windows actually handles hardware upgrades pretty well. Just make sure you manually install the chipset drivers so it can read your boot drive and windows update will figure out the rest after a reboot or two.

randomperson , in [solved - I was looking for mDNS] Is there a kde-connect like VPN?

I don’t think you need a VPN here since you’re using an already secure protocol. Sounds like you’re mostly wanting a static IP address. You can configure the local router to hand out static IPs. Local DNS works too.

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Static IPs are not a thing in most countries. You need an overlay network or dynamic DNS like NoIP.

madasi ,

Static IPs handed out by your local router are not dependent on having a static IP from your ISP. You do not need one to have the other. You can always have static IPs on your local network.

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Ah okay but is that useful in many cases? Only when you are home.

boredsquirrel , (edited ) in Is anybody else a bit disappointed about the recent days with Fedora Atomic?
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Upstream Fedora is pretty bad with troubleshooting.

I honestly think the traditional Fedora with dnf is bad. I tried it and it was a pain. But the packages are pretty nice.

The issue is: Fedora is a testing platform. Their kernels are fresh. Fedora Atomic is not a finished product (and also not marketed as such in any way).

uBlue literally uses unreleased quay OCI images of Fedora atomic. They are built, but not used. The official ones are not even signed.


Fedora is not a stable distro at all. So they should focus a lot on

Also, as most problems are because

  • outdated grub (fixed soon with F41 likely, only on atomic)
  • too new kernel
  • weird kernel module stuff
  • rpmfusion sync issues

Many problems can be avoided by using a different Kernel!

Kwizart maintains the official LTS Kernel, built for Fedora, CentOS and RHEL

Replacing the kernel with this may be a solution for many problems

Use my COPR command script


<span style="color:#323232;">copr enable kwizart/kernel-longterm-6.6
</span><span style="color:#323232;">rpm-ostree install kernel-longterm
</span>

Not sure if then both are kept.

rotopenguin , in This week in KDE: autoscrolling
@rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

It’s one of those Windows features that I would accidentally click once, and then immediately go hunting for how to disable it.

secret300 , in Why do you still hate Windows?

Back when I first used a computer we were told if it has ads and pop ups constantly then you have installed a virus. Try using a fresh install of windows…

atzanteol , in [solved - I was looking for mDNS] Is there a kde-connect like VPN?

I’m looking for a VPN that auto-discovers other devices on the same network.

What does that mean? What are you actually trying to do?

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