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GenderNeutralBro , in Why is snaps hated

At best it works more or less the same as an ordinary package. It only gets worse from there.

Several times I’ve been stuck on a broken version of Discord because on the server side they force an update to the new client, and the new client has not been packaged as a Snap yet.

Getting native hosts to work in Firefox is possible, but a giant pain in the butt.

Basically anything that needs filesystem access is unreasonably troublesome. I gave up on getting Snaps to work with my external drives.

There is simply no scenario where I think “wow, I sure am glad this was packaged as a Snap!” There have been many scenarios where I thought “god dammit why is this a Snap?!”

fhein ,

Several times I’ve been stuck on a broken version of Discord because on the server side they force an update to the new client, and the new client has not been packaged as a Snap yet.

To be fair this is more of an issue with Discord than snap… Would be understandable if it was an urgent security fix but they do it every time, and then it breaks for everybody who is using anything else than the deb or tar.gz they provide.

Workaround for Fedora: Edit /usr/lib64/discord/resources/build_info.json and increase the version number to whatever Discord tells you is the new version. And hope that the update wasn’t a fix for some remote code execution vulnerability :)

coldhotman , in Why is snaps hated
@coldhotman@nrsk.no avatar

… No, snaps aren’t considered too open source as far as I know. For me it’s how it’s forced on me almost as hard as a Windows upgrade. I’m pretty sure my next linux distro is PopOS, not Ubuntu.

animist , in Why is snaps hated

because the snap folder in your home directory by default starts with a lowercase letter while all the other folders start with uppercase (hidden folders don’t count)

all other reasons are secondary

SillyBanana ,

This is such a stupid minor thing, but it’s what made me switch from Ubuntu to Fedora, haha.

UlrikHD ,
@UlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

Downloads and Documents starting with a capital letter is my biggest pet peeve with Ubuntu. It makes it a lot more annoying to navigate through them than if it was all lower case.

demonGeek , in Thoughts on Windows and WSL?

If I have to use Windows then WSL is fine, otherwise I’d always use Linux.

As far as privacy is concerned, if it’s running on Windows then WSL is not going to help.

I’d suggest that good middle ground would be installing Linux and running Windows in a VM.

mrmanager , in Why is snaps hated
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

I remember when the snap version of calculator took like 12 seconds to launch and Canonical were like “yeah but what’s the big deal?”.

It basically turns your super fast Linux into feeling like a 10 year old windows machine.

I hear they have improved performance now though but there are many other reasons why snap suck.

vampatori ,
@vampatori@feddit.uk avatar

I hear they have improved performance now though

It’s still not great. Better, but still slow enough to make you question whether you’ve actually launched the app or not.

JoYo , in Why is snaps hated
@JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

Because I can’t dismiss the Firefox update notification, no matter how many times I update it.

I’ve had to reboot every time.

Which, way to go you’ve reimplemented windows xp era updates.

phx ,

Stop the app and run “snap refresh” and it should update anything that’s queued

JoYo ,
@JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

yes, I did kill the process and update the image though snap.

this did nothing to remove the update notification that cannot be dismissed without rebooting.

phx ,

Oh, weird. The notification itself disappeared for me when I click it (KDE)

JoYo ,
@JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

maybe they fixed it, I switched to Debian over a year ago.

dethleffs , in Base Community Distros
@dethleffs@feddit.nl avatar

void is awesome

tiny , in Why is snaps hated

There are philosophical and technical reasons to not like snaps

Technical

  • Slow startup time
  • Makes lsblk look really ugly
  • For awhile users didn’t have a lot of control over when things updated
  • Not designed to work with third party repos by default
  • Requires apparmor so it doesn’t work well on selinux distros.

Philosophical

  • Backend is proprietary and controller by a single company
  • Has made the same amount of effort as flatpak to work on distros that aren’t Ubuntu
  • Some people just don’t like Ubuntu
coldhotman ,
@coldhotman@nrsk.no avatar

Makes lsblk look really ugly

i never even thought of that, it would be an abomination

Rozauhtuno ,
@Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar
  • Canonical is pushing it too aggressively, removing the freedom of choice.
anagram3k ,
@anagram3k@lemmy.ml avatar

Also:

  • Creates a snap directory on your home. I hate programs that pollute my home.
  • Requires a service (snapd) to function.
AfricanExpansionist ,

Not only does it create that directory but it creates new folders for each updated version of various apps… Very weird and confusing

mrmanager , in What's the best debian/ubuntu based distro featuring KDE?
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

Why is kde neon better than other distros? Isn’t it just default kde?

unknowing8343 ,

KDE Neon has all the latest KDE stuff, and the rest is essentially Ubuntu LTS.

So, if you want the best KDE possible, but not too much change on the rest of your base… then KDE Neon is for you.

I used it a long time ago, when I fell in love with KDE. I use Arch now, BTW.

the_sisko , in Workspaces / Virtual Desktops – do you use them on your laptop, desktop, or both?

I use two monitors, and also KDE’s virtual desktops for work. A killer feature for me is that KDE has a window manager option to “pin” specific windows so that they are present on every desktop. This means I can have my terminal and slack client split across one screen and pinned, and then the other screen can contain my “main focus” on each of the virtual desktops - browser, editor, or email. I always can see the chat/terminal but can easily swap the desktop to get to a different focus.

I know that I could just have everything on one desktop and use the alt-tab to change that main window. But the alt tab is slow and non-deterministic. I may have to cycle between five things before I get to the browser, for example. With virtual desktops, I know where each focus is geometrically, and I can always swap over quickly with my key shortcuts.

surrendertogravity OP ,
@surrendertogravity@wayfarershaven.eu avatar

Wanting to pin a floating window was always something I wanted on Windows, so I was excited to see that being natively supported by KDE.

Agree on disliking alt-tab because it’s non-deterministic! Cycling through a whole list of apps has always felt clunky to me so I never use it.

Lemmchen , in What is your go-to Linux distro and why?

For the past six years it has been Kubuntu, but I think it’s time to finally abort Canonical and their idiosyncrasies and choose Debian as a KDE base, especially now that Debian 12 includes non-free firmware by default.

Furycd001 ,
@Furycd001@fosstodon.org avatar

@Lemmchen @pluja Debian 12 is a great choice no matter what desktop environment or window manager you install....

average650 ,
@average650@lemmy.world avatar

This is what I need to do. Just too much inertia in my own stuff to make the switch so far.

Holzkohlen ,

I kinda hope they rebase KDE neon to debian. That would be dope.

under2x ,

I use kde neon, I much prefer it to Kubuntu.

backhdlp , in What is the most opinionated linux distro?
@backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Fedora

nyan , in Base Community Distros

If you use a standard package-manager-based taxonomy, there are five base distributions: Slackware, Debian, Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS (I’m unclear on which of those is currently the lowest rung), Arch, and Gentoo. There are also a handful of singletons, like Puppy and Void, which evolved independently (or from long-dead predecessors) but have no family to speak of. I think the only one of those that isn’t community-driven is Red Hat.

However, most base distributions are set up because their founder wants to try Something Completely Different, and that “something” is generally not user-friendliness. Even in Debian’s case, the core distro philosophy is about software licenses; its user-friendliness is almost a historical accident. Descendant distributions with a premise of “[distro], but user friendly” are not uncommon, though.

backhdlp , in Workspaces / Virtual Desktops – do you use them on your laptop, desktop, or both?
@backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I have a 3x3 desktop grid in plasma, it works great for me on my laptop, but I don’t think I could use it without touchpad gestures. I would probably have less or none if I had a big screen.

Lemmchen , in Does anyone actually like the default GNOME workflow?

GNOME is the reason I use KDE.

I really really tried it, but it feels like the whole default GNOME suite has never been used by powerusers at all.
Nemo (is it Nemo?) is especially bad. Once you have to deal with several thousand files in a folder (e.g. drive recovery) it totally breaks apart.

XPost3000 ,

Yeah Plasma is like the only decent DE IMO

Furycd001 ,
@Furycd001@fosstodon.org avatar

@XPost3000 @Lemmchen personally I think that XFCE, mate & pantheon are equally just as good as KDE....

Furycd001 ,
@Furycd001@fosstodon.org avatar

@Lemmchen @shapis Neno is file manager for cinnamon. Nautilus for gnome....

Lemmchen ,

Ah, thanks. I knew something was off.

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