Data contamination expert 👌

nickwitha_k , 4 months ago

I really ought to have done that.

Flumpkin , 4 months ago

I’m pissed at reddit but I still hate searching for something and finding a post on reddit discussing it, only to find some of the posts being deleted or overwritten.

FIST_FILLET , 4 months ago

if you’re lucky, some posts have been archived on the internet archive’s wayback machine. highly recommend pinning the extension to your toolbar, it’ll show a number badge of how many times the current site has been archived :) addons.mozilla.org/en-US/…/wayback-machine_new

mods_are_assholes , 4 months ago

Good, then the protest at least worked somewhat.

EmperorHenry , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

after they announced it would’ve been the time to start poisoning the comments. Then it would’ve been completely justified and moral.

Honestly, keep up the good fight. Start poisoning all open sources being scraped by any type of AI.

And I use the term “ai” very, very loosely. Because what’s called ai now isn’t real ai. It’s just an automated data collection tool.

It doesn’t create anything, it plagiarizes real artists.

FIST_FILLET , 4 months ago

exactly, ”ai” right now is just a computer parrot. why settle for blurry generic versions of the art that it is digesting and shitting back out?

mods_are_assholes , 4 months ago

Nailed it. The whole essence of AI is that it can make images with a variety of colors and styles, but it’s not creative or artistic by definition. At the end of the day, it’s just a bunch of numbers and equations being translated into pixels on a screen.

(This comment pasted from NovelAI with this prompt:

Please write a reply to this interrnet comment: exactly, ”ai” right now is just a computer parrot. why settle for blurry generic versions of the art that it is digesting and shitting back out?)

Fades , 4 months ago

That is not the “whole essence” of it all… You are summarizing he whole piece of tech off a single use-case (image generation).

AI is MUCH more than just a picture or generator. As a software engineer I use AI for things like debugging or quickly automating some tasks

mods_are_assholes , 4 months ago

Considering the tendency of all LLMs to confabulate, that might not be a very smart choice.

jayrodtheoldbod , 4 months ago

This announcement is just “oh by the way, the horse is now out of the barn. He left like 10 years ago but this is the announcement.”

Shout out to whoever dismissed the first AI writings with “It’s like a perfect Redditor. Totally confident and completely full of shit, doesn’t even know that it’s lying.”

That doesn’t happen by accident. That happens when everyone was already scraping the shit out of the site, at the very least.

Poem_for_your_sprog , 4 months ago

Set up a bot that just constantly posts blatantly wrong information, like “the earth is flat according to encyclopedia Britannica”, “the sky is green because it’s full or chlorophyll according to the UK foundation of science”

Zink , 4 months ago

Or in line with current events, “we are sorry about your experience and will refund you triple.”

jkrtn , 4 months ago

You won’t poison the data if the bot is on there just doing the same things as the redditors.

Vilian , 4 months ago

we need to make a repository just for that and spam reddit with it, everyone is welcome to contribute, open-source fake news

Bombyk0l , 4 months ago

That should be super easy. Just make a massive database of random stuff and put them in a sentence structured “XX is YY because ZZ” with no other explanation.

ILikeBoobies , 4 months ago

Why care?

It just seems they were correct in changing api prices

Sylvartas , 4 months ago

I mean, yeah, but because they fully expected to sell their userbase as training data for LLMs, not because they actually care about people using bots to post wrong informations. Wouldn’t that require them caring about actual people posting wrong infos in the first place ?

byroon , 4 months ago

So you’ve contaminated the training data for an LLM by spamming a public forum? Seems like everyone loses

wildginger , 4 months ago

I dont lose, I get a good laugh out of watching idiots feed unreliable data to their LLMs because it was cheap

byroon , 4 months ago

I mean the people using the forum who have to navigate around your spam

wildginger , 4 months ago

Theyre on reddit, the spam site. I think theyre okay with a little more spam on their spam.

byroon , 4 months ago

I agree that reddit sucks

boatsnhos931 , 4 months ago

Dear God, I’ve posted a lot of nonsense and untrue things over the years. You guys want to do a candle light vigil tonight for ai?

FlyingSquid , 4 months ago

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8355c8c9-c0fa-4042-a971-9d9886909b37.png

alphacyberranger , 4 months ago

If it takes reddit data to train a model, instead of Artificial Intelligence we will end up with Artificial Idiocy and a horny one that too.

init , 4 months ago

Sigh, unzips

Poem_for_your_sprog , 4 months ago

You had to unzip?

asexualchangeling , 4 months ago

As apposed to now when we just have regular artificial idiocy

niktemadur , 4 months ago

Hey, I’d say that Facebook, Twitter and YouTube are at least just as bad, and probably worse.

LunaCtld , 4 months ago

So does that mean, that this time DAN will come pre-installed?

crackajack , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

Why does Spez want to to sell data? To buy a new yacht?

I will delete my data from Reddit then.

MECHAGIC , 4 months ago

Wait how do i do that?

TwanHE , 4 months ago

There were some scripts for it. But i can still find my comments and posts trough Google after deleting them.

Dont think reddit will let you take “their” (your) content away.

apemint , 4 months ago

Oh, shit you’re right.

I wiped my whole profile years ago (with a script that overwrites your comments before deleting) but they’re still visible everywhere except in my profile.

Isn’t this bullshit illegal?

jayrodtheoldbod , 4 months ago

Try out Shreddit, it’s a web app for exactly this. It even lets you filter by post karma so you can keep your hits. I’ve never used it but that’s the name that came up over on Reddit from everyone talking about the announcement.

apemint , 4 months ago

Well, here’s the problem; my profile is completely empty. There’s nothing left to delete.
There are no comments, submissions or anything there, but when I go to a thread via google (or a link), all my comments are still present.

MBM , 4 months ago

Dont think reddit will let you take “their” (your) content away.

There should be a way to do it under GDPR

TwanHE , 4 months ago

I filed a right to erasure request as well. Never got a response/nothing happened, but currently not in the position to take them to court over it.

Daxtron2 , 4 months ago

You’ve probably been shadow banned for 5 of those months

ArmokGoB , 4 months ago

We should have started an all-out attack on Reddit once they started forcing open subs by removing mods. People folded like soggy tortillas.

PerogiBoi , 4 months ago

Just like when Netflix and Disney plus and every other streaming service colluded to all raise their prices and remove account sharing.

madcaesar , 4 months ago

I just left and came here after 10+ years on reddit. No point wasting time energy trying to take reddit down. They are fucked anyway. Anytime I check back for something occasionally the quality of posts / comments is just pure garbage.

Daxtron2 , 4 months ago

My account got locked out after I lost all my authenticators with an old phone. Reddit is one of only a few sites that would not let me change it.

Adalast , 4 months ago

OpenAI team after including the data: why is the model suddenly even more horny, abusive, and discriminatory?

eager_eagle , 4 months ago

Good move, but anyone using public data already applies a simple spam filter to reject “dumb” data poisoning. Also, hatred and other negative comments as responses will be penalized in a language model training, so an effective data poisoning takes effort. I’ll just throw some ideas here how poisoning could hypothetically have a tangible negative impact in their results.

The best one can do in terms of data poisoning is make comments that are not easily discernible from usual comments - both for humans and machines - but are either unhelpful or misleading. This is an “in-distribution” data poisoning attack. To be really effective in having any impact whatsoever for training, they need to be mass applied using different user accounts that also upvote each others’ comments in a way that mimics real user interaction: if applied in a simplistic way, a simple graph analysis on these interactions can highlight these fake accounts as a christmas tree.

Adalast , 4 months ago

I was contemplating the merits of botting with the current model with slight vectorization offsets so the data becomes prone to overfitting.

I would think it would alao work to post using valid, but non-standard syntax so it muddies the n-gram searches.

greenskye , 4 months ago

but are either unhelpful or misleading

Honestly that just sounds like a lot of Reddit users in general

TseseJuer , 4 months ago

yea we know that’s why he said that because that’s “real” reddit content