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FreshLight , in This is the way

I’m not there, yet.

moipe , in Narrowing it down

Uhh… Are you sure?

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
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Further study is needed

No_Eponym ,
@No_Eponym@lemmy.ca avatar

What are you wondering? What do you know?

makuus , in This is the way

If the bottom one actually worked, I wouldn’t do the top three.

Ipodjockey , in This is the way
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Fuck off with this bullshit. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

nodimetotie OP ,

Sad but true

PieMePlenty , in This is the way

Wait, dark chocolate keeps you awake?

nodimetotie OP ,

Works for me, but it has to be at least 70%

newIdentity , in This is the way

I get enough sleep. I still feel sleepy all the time

I should go see a doctor, but naaah

HubertManne ,

Im that way. I had a worker say I was like a lion. I can be intense and active for quite a few hours but I can only keep it up so long and then I lose it and its all fatigue.

nodimetotie OP ,

Strictly speaking, it’s not just about the time but also about the quality of sleep, so gotta get that right, too

Fandangalo , in Philosophy meme

Half of the comments in here are a bunch of equivocations on the words.

“Objective” morality would mean there are good things to do, and bad things to do. What people actually do in some hypothetical or real society is different and wouldn’t undermine the objective status of morality.

Listen to this example:

  • Todd wants to go to the bank before it closes.
  • Todd is not at the bank.
  • Todd should travel to the bank before it closes.

This is a functional should statement. Maybe Todd does go, or maybe he doesn’t. But if he wants to fulfill his desires, he should travel if he wants to go to the bank. The point is that should statements, often used in morality, can inform us for less controversial topics.

Here’s another take: why should we be rational? We could base our epistemology on breeding, money, or other random ends. If you think I should be rational, you’re leveraging morality to do that.

Most people believe in objective morality, whether they understand it that way or not. Humans have disagreed over many subjects throughout history. Disagreement alone doesn’t undermine objectivity. It’s objectively true that the Earth revolves around the sun. Some nut case with a geocentric mindset isn’t going to convince me otherwise. You can argue it’s objective because we can test it, but how do I test my epistemology?

This is just a philosophy 101 run around. I’m a moral pluralist who believes in utilizing many moral theories to help understand the moral landscape. If we were to study the human body, you’d use biology, physics, chemistry, and so on. When looking at a moral problem, I look at it from the main moral theories and look for consensus around a moral stance.

I’m not interested in debating, but there’s so many posts making basic mistakes about morality. My undergraduate degree was in ethics, and I’ve published on meta ethics. We ain’t solving this in a lemmy thread, but there’s a lot of literature to read for those interested.

Bgugi ,

I guess I don’t really understand. Does moral objectivism argue that there is “one true” framework for assessing the rightness of decision/action, or merely that there are objectively right/wrong answers within any given framework?

Fandangalo ,

Meta ethics focuses on the underlying framework behind morality. Whenever you’re asking, “But why is it moral?” That’s meta ethics.

Meta ethics splits between cognitivism (moral statements can be true or false) and non-cognitivism (moral statements are not true or false). One popular cognitive branch is natural moral realism, the idea there are objective moral facts. One popular non-cognitivism branch is emotivism, the idea that moral statements all all complicated “yays” or “yucks” and express emotions rather than true/false statements.

Cognitivism also has anti-realism, which is there are moral facts, but they are truth/false conditional based on each person or group. My issue is you lose the ability to call out certain behavior as wrong; slavery is wrong; not respecting others is wrong. If you want to believe all morality systems are valid, meaning your morality is no better than some radical thought group’s, then go ahead. On an emotional level, speciesism level, rights level, deontological level, utilitarian level, and many more slavery is wrong. Again, some nut job doesn’t invalidate all other thoughts. That’s my take.

UltraMagnus0001 , in This is the way

but, cocaine

Cheems ,
@Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

He said energy drink

drinkcocaine.com

Jay , in This is the way

As a father of a small child, I feel personally attacked by the last point.

Unaware7013 ,

Same, but I also know it's my own fault because of revenge bedtime procrastination.

Jay ,

And it is our own fault because of unprotected sex with the aim of reproduction. Nonetheless.

Stalinwolf , (edited )
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Bro, there was so much unprotected sex with the aim of reproduction that I became physically and sexually burnt out by the time we achieved it. My wife and I didn’t have sex again until my daughter was like 10 months old, and it the frequency only began to normalize over the course of another year or so - maybe longer. I remember we were worried for a bit that it was a bad sign for our marriage or something, especially since it was primarily me who was struggling to even want to, but then suddenly my daughter started sleeping through the night and my wife and I started banging again. Completely restored my sex drive. I’m certainly not fucking like I’m in my twenties anymore, but I’m relieved that unprotected sex with the aim of reproduction didn’t permanently kill my boner. Unprotected sex with the aim of reproduction is a blessing at first, but be wary, travelers…

Jay ,

I’m glad your boner is back, bro.

nodimetotie OP ,

You’re lucky, my sex life stopped when we got a kid, even though the conception was basically a one-shot

nodimetotie OP ,

Huh, is it how it’s called?

nodimetotie OP ,

Stage 5: get a baby and stay up all night listening to the wailing

Sabata11792 , in This is the way
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Not even going to mention highly caffinated naps?

AzuleBlade ,

Those are the best, you feel more tired when you wake up.

Sabata11792 ,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

you feel more tired when you wake up.

Yep, just like normal sleep. It just gets worse every day.

variants ,

except with the bonus of the caffeine blocking your adenosine receptors so you dont get any deep sleep to help boost your tiredness

FUCKRedditMods , in This is the way

Swap coffee and energy drinks. Energy drinks are def the most braindead of the bunch—I know, I used to buy them.

Also where is the “100mg adderall” option?

Caitlynn ,
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Considering most people consume coffee, I think you should reconsider

RobertOwnageJunior ,

But Energy drinks are way worse. They’re basically only sugar (at least most of the big ones).

jscummy ,

I like my C4’s for pre-workout, but they’ve got some kind of artificial sweetener I’m assuming

Moc ,

I really did try to use pre workout powder and I hated it because it’s too sweet at that time of the morning.

Cup of black coffee is the best pre workout. If you really want some energy, smash a banana too.

Sigh_Bafanada ,

It’s a weird one, cause coffee is the most default, but energy drinks are more braindead

EvacuateSoul ,

Primatene (ephedrine) OTC baby

mina_tie ,

Cocaine baby!

Honytawk , in Philosophy meme

If objective morality existed, we wouldn’t be arguing about those things since we would all be in the same agreement.

Even “murder is wrong” isn’t objective morally when you ask someone who believes in the death penalty.

Wogi ,

This argument makes a fundamental mistake. Objective does not mean everyone agrees. Objective just means it’s true.

The earth goes around the sun is objectively true, but give me 5 minutes and I can find you someone to disagree with that statement.

Disagreeing with an objective truth just means you’re wrong.

BellaDonna ,

While that works with ‘facts’, it doesn’t work for opinions. A sense of morality is exactly an opinion or set of opinions that define what is and isn’t right. It is exactly mired in perspective and again this is very self evident.

Muslims say that music is Haram because it is said so in Hadith, does that make music objectively wrong? They believe when a religious authority states this is true, that the religious authority has made a canonical judgement ( fatwa ) that is basically binding.

Am I a heathen for liking music then?

I can’t believe people are so naive as to think objective standards for morality are even remotely possible.

mindrover ,

Muslims say that music is Haram because it is said so in Hadith, does that make music objectively wrong?

That is the exact opposite of what the above comment said. An objective view of morality would say that the “rightness” or “wrongness” of the act of making music is an objective truth. If music is “right”, then music is right, regardless of what Muslims or any other people say, and vice versa.

It means you can’t come to a correct moral judgement just by taking a poll of the people around you.

BellaDonna ,

That’s literally exactly how all humans work. Our ideas is morality come from our peers, and culture. That’s all relative and very mutable.

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  • BellaDonna ,

    The universe doesn’t exist in human terms though. Stars don’t care about genocide, or abortion. Black holes don’t care about gender or identity issues. I’m certain the universe does not exist on human terms, and human morality is only an idea that has meaning to other humans.

    I don’t believe there is a single valid, unassailable concept that can prop up the idea that objective morality is likely, or even possible.

    Would morality exist once the last human dies? Did morality exist before? It’s just a useless question.

    UraniumBlazer ,

    “Objective just means it’s true”. No it doesn’t. How do you even define “truth”? How do I know that I am not the only real person and that all of u r NPCs? How do I know that I am not in a simulation? Now, discussing about the simulation hypothesis is dumb, as it is unscientific in nature. It is not testable.

    What is true can be established only when it goes through the scientific method. Hence, an “objective” statement is that statement that would be agreed upon using the scientific method by a certain consensus.

    Morality is not testable. Hence, the scientific method cannot be used here. Hence, it can never be objective.

    balderdash9 OP ,

    Look at the upvote/downvote ratio on OP’s comment. That you all you need to know lol. Wish there was a !philosophymemes community on Lemmy

    Imgonnatrythis , in This is the way

    Combining the top 3 = SYNERGY! ✨

    yuuki , in This is the way

    Sadly, my body won’t stay asleep for the entire duration.

    My sleep schedule is so f up.

    CodexArcanum , in This is the way

    Needs a 5th enlightened brain with “Doing meth”. Who needs sleep when there’s hard drugs?

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